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To: central_va
>> You’ve bought the hype. Lincoln was a ruthless butcher hell bent on consolidating Federal power. He accomplished that goal beyond his wildest dreams. <<

Hmmm. You seem to be confusing Lincoln with the two Presidents the "states rights" south loved the most, Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Their socialist agenda won over 80% of the votes down there. Obviously "consolidating Federal power" was much more popular in the former confederacy than in the northern states. In the northern states, there was at least real opposition to FDR and Wilson's socialist agenda. In the former confederacy, the best they had was other Democrats like Huey Long actually arguing that the statism didn't go far enough.

>> Let’s clarify things. You place the 11 seceding states of the Confederacy on the same moral plane as the Palestinians? Do I have that correct? Just checking. <<

Possibly worse.

The position of the Palestinian terroritories basically seems to be than the Jews have absolutely no right to live in the middle east and they should be driven to the sea or violently attacked for daring to live there. Hamas is really the ones openly admitted that though, Fatah hates the Jews too but is more coy about it.

The position of the Confederate States was that blacks were sub-human animals and that slavery was not only an eternal and inherit "right", but that it was the "natural condition" for blacks. Everyone from the Vice President of the CSA to the state declarations of secessions declared that this was indeed their goal and position. In speaks volumes that the "Confederate Constitution" says nothing different than than the U.S. Constitution about tariffs, states rights, or secession, but specifically declares that slavery cannot ever abolished. Not even the Palestinian territories are bold enough to write up a Constitution declaring Jews to be sub-human and their personal property.

38 posted on 12/23/2011 8:05:46 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: BillyBoy
I think your pal Lincoln wasn't the hero you want him to be, in fact he was quite a racist:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

by: Abraham Lincoln

(1809-1865) 16th US President Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858 (The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)

40 posted on 12/23/2011 8:16:27 PM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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