Posted on 12/15/2011 1:44:32 PM PST by libertarian neocon
This is really not a place I thought I'd be at. Up until very recently I didn't even think there was a Republican that could be nominated that would keep me home on election day or vote for a 3rd party. I think I have found that candidate and it is Mitt Romney. There are two main reasons for this, the first being that I really have no idea what he actually stands for. I don't think anybody does. And I think that chances are high that he doesn't really stand for much that is different than Obama's current policies. Let's take a quick look at his record:
Even in this primary season, in which his rhetoric is the most conservative you will probably see Mitt act in his lifetime (if he gets the nomination, expect him to move to the left for the general election), it's unclear how different he is. Take foreign policy. His biggest issue with Obama is that he is withdrawing the "surge troops" in September 2012 instead of December 2012. Really, a 3 month difference? Is that why I am supposed to vote for you? What about arguing that we keep the troops there until we win? Have we forgot about having actual victory as a goal? It seems Mitt has. Then, on Israel, his biggest issue with Obama's policies seem to be that he criticized Israel in public instead of in private. Big friggin deal. As a strong Israel supporter I am not for any US President who will turn the screws on the Jewish state whether it be out in the open or behind closed doors. I want someone who actually supports Israel, one of our closest allies, and will work together against common foes. Then of course there was the exchange with Newt in which Romney defended capital gains tax cut being limited to those making under $200,000 in language similar to Obama's. "I'm not worried about rich people. They are doing just fine."
So tell me again why I should be voting for Mitt? Have you noticed that most Mitt proponents seem to focus on the idea that he is the "most electable" as the reason to vote for him with almost no mention of his record? The most they can scrounge up are some quotes with promises from the Romney campaign. Yes, promises from a guy who changes his mind like you change your underwear. I think the real reason that much of the establishment Republicans support Romney is because of the same old Washington game. It really doesn't matter to them what the ideology of the candidate is, as long as he wins and you are friends with his close advisors. And since Romney has been the front runner for so long, each one of those establishment reporters have spent months, even years schmoozing with the campaign and have dreams of close access with a sitting President and possibly even an undersecretaryship. How else do you explain their visceral reaction to Gingrich, the first realistic challenger to Romney. Newt has issues, sure, but has it deserved the relentless negative attacks? Sure, he isn't a perfect conservative but very few are. Even Rick Santorum has favored pork projects, steel tariffs and medicare part D. You don't see the press attacking him for it. Or even Ron Paul who is polling as #2 in most Iowa polls. That's because the Romney supporters in the press don't feel either of them are a threat to them achieving the access/position they have been waiting for.
And this brings up the second big reason why I won't be voting for Mitt Romney if he wins the nomination. His treatment of his Republican opposition. This man acts just like Obama, someone who will do anything to be President. It is one thing to compete with a candidate for votes through a fair description of differences in record etc., but it's another thing to be out to destroy another candidate, especially another Republican. And that is exactly what Romney and his minions are trying to do with Newt, they are trying to destroy him. Even people who aren't in Newt's camp, like Mark Levin are seeing this happen before our eyes. Really, the temerity of Romney saying that Newt is an unreliable conservative after having a record as horrible as he had in Massachusetts? Referring to him as "zany"? Having surrogates character assassinate in the press on an almost daily basis? It's not like Newt did anything to deserve any of this. He didn't climb to the top of the polls through negative ads on Romney, he climbed to the top by appearing as an elder statesman in a weak candidate field and having the ability to actually explain why he believes what he believes. He also has a proven record of balancing budgets and passing entitlement reform under a Democratic President! Is that so wrong? And this isn't the first time Romney did this, as he also launched negative attacks on both Huckabee and McCain (though he didn't have the press in his pocket back then because Giuliani and Thompson were thought to have a greater chance at the nomination early on).
Things have become so bad that you face character assassination just for opposing Romney. Rudy Giuliani had a rant against Romney today focusing on his flip flops. Jennifer Rubin attacked him for this by tweeting "Romney will never win over the adulterers no matter how hard he tries". Really? That is all Rudy Giuliani is now? An adulterer? How about the NYC mayor who showed real leadership while his city was under attack by Al-Qaeda, with thousands dead, including many members of the local police and fire departments? He's a hero and doesn't deserve to be called an adulterer for voicing an opinion about a candidate.
And unfortunately, even Paul Ryan, who has become engulfed by the establishment, has come in on the act with a completely dishonest attack on Newt. Just yesterday (as in 1 day ago) he said "This is not the 1990s. The 'Mediscare' is not working and we should not back down from this fight. I, for one, believe the country is ready, they're hungry for it. They are ready to hear real solutions. We shouldn't wait around for the status quo to become popular. Leaders don't follow the polls, leaders change the polls." And what did he do today? He announced the Ryan-Wyden plan which waters down his reforms tremendously and possibly eliminates any actual benefit from medicare reform. The Washington Post has this choice line "Ryan and Wyden acknowledged that their plan might not bring in more savings than under the current law." Is this how leader's lead? Also, apparently Ryan and Wyden won't even write the proposed legislation any time in the near future, likely waiting until 2013 (I guess they have time as there will be no benefit coming until 2022).
And there you have it. Neither Romney's record nor his rhetoric are something that I would actually want to vote for. He is, in many ways, little different from the guy who Romney supporters claim Romney would be best at getting rid of. I am also very much turned off by his character, which is supposedly exemplary but is, in actuality, that of a calculating political operative only interested in himself. As I've mentioned before, he is the Dorian Grey of the GOP and I stick by that. I am also sick of the establishment thinking they can ram a candidate down our throats, without even a single vote being cast! Unlike normal people, they care more about which party is in office, than the ideology of the guy actually in office. They are the ones behind the Democrat-lite candidates that we had in almost every election since 1936. No wonder government has continued to expand at such a fantastic rate. If the Democrats win, they expand government. If the Republicans win, they also expand government. I'm tired of that cycle and I'm tired of having to vote between the lesser of two evils.
I also think those of us who believe in small government need to take a stand against MItt Romney in order to save the Tea Party movement. I think that if after all the effort to fight Obamacare and to win back the House ends up with us getting someone like Mitt Romney, many Tea Party supporters will just throw up their hands in disgust and walk away from caring any more. Focusing more on their jobs and family rather than politics. This will ensure both that the GOP will lose a large portion of their base for future elections (giving more victories to the Democrats) as well as giving GOP control squarely in the hands of the establishment so they can continue to nominate losers like McCain, Romney, Dole and George H.W. Bush.
So, I can see myself supporting every other GOP candidate if they are the nominee. Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, Paul and even Huntsman will get my vote (he might be a wayward conservative but at least he is honest about it. Plus, his record as Governor of Utah is much better than Romney's and his tax reform plan is actually ambitious). But not Romney. Not ever.
Have you ever wondered why OB1 never followed through on closing Gitmo?
I’d rather have Obama with a Republican Congress, and four years of gridlock, than the stealth socialist Romney.
Two names wil cause me to vote for whoever the GOP runs: Sotomayor. Kagan.
I would vote for Son of Sam in 2012 if it meant getting rid of Obama.
You obviously “get it.”
Perhaps his mother, who whispered in Connie Chung's ear that her son thought Hillary was a "bitch!"
It’s never wise to nominate someone who can’t win his home state.
Simplistic...and correct. For me, it all boils down to this: do you want Obama to be picking federal judges for the next four years?
If not, support the Republican nominee, whoever he/she is.
Romney’s main supporter Sununu gave us Souter. How’s that working out?
I’m in the support GOP congressional candidates and hope for the best bunch. Romney will destroy the conservative cause in the GOP. If the GOP in the Senate and Boehner could grow a spine, they could render Obozo almost powerless....unfortunately the majority of them are complicit with Obama’s agenda.
The choice of candidates is what it is. If you don’t vote for the GOP nominee, you will be responsible for electing the current president-with-an-agenda, whether you accept that or not. Your principles will not keep you warm at night when our children or grandchildren are assimilating to a life as a socialist or communist with no memory of a great country dubbed the Land of Opportunity.
I’m just not convinced the outcome is any different under a Romney regime....other than the fact that this time it would be under the banner of the GOP.
Romney has very similar positions to Zero....see Romneycare, global warming, a permanent assault weapons ban, appointing liberal judges, refusing to support the Ohio bill restricting public unions, and the list goes on and on. As a matter of fact Obama’s plan for capital gains is more pro growth than Romney’s. Zero defines the “rich” at $250k and Romney’s plan is $200k.
Show me anywhere that Romney has demonstrated by his actions....not just his talk...that he is any better than Zero. I would vote for Romney if I was convinced that he is any different and not just an empty suit. If Romney voters want to fool themselves into thinking they are doing the country a favor by sending it down the same path under a GOP flag....go ahead.
I wont be bullied into picking a candidate who is essentially the same as Obama just because some non-conservative GOP establishment and the media tells me I should.
Dude, your one vote don’t count for squat! And neither does mine. And neither of our votes deserves such a long rant.
False strawman there. I never said 100% equal. I said there there was not much of a difference. So lets take a look at the issues that are important to me:
Obama is pro-choice. Romney was pro-choice but is now in favor of states deciding. Not much difference.
Obamacare vs. Romney care. Not much difference.
Obama is very much for gun control, Romney supported gun control but now opposes any further gun control legislation. Not much difference.
Obama and Romney on death penalty. Both support in limited circumstances. Not much difference.
Obama supports embryonic stem cell research. Romney just doesn’t want it funded with federal dollars. Not much difference.
About the only two areas where I see enough difference to actually call it a difference is the economy and Romney’s opposition to the The Employee Free Choice Act.
” Friends don’t let friends drink Starbucks”
” She’s a witch!”
“How do you know she’s a witch?”
“She turned me into a NEWT!”
from:
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Can stand Romney, but I’d vote him over Barack Obama. Four more years of Obama is a death knell for America.
Exactly right.
To all those who want to engage in mud wrestling over the current top 3 contenders (Romney, Gingrich, and Paul), I hope you will overcome your wounds in time to rally behind, and positively influence, whoever eventually wins the nomination.
Although I believe this country has been harmed by big government progressives within the Republican party dating back at least as far as TR, it pales in comparison to the harm caused by our current president and his minions.
No one likes having to vote for the lesser of evils, but that is usually what it boils down to in a presidential election. Furthermore, it is ridiculous to equate any Republican candidate with the incumbent.
FYI ... I believe one of the 2nd tier (Perry, Bachmann, Santorum) will soon be moving back into the 1st tier or, in the case of Santorum, moving up for the first time.
I’m not sure its not legitimate to equate any GOP candidate to the incumbent. Just because you have an R behind your name isn’t good enough for me.
Again...if someone can show me substantive differences between Romney’s actions (not words) and Zero’s....I would like to see them. There are way more similarities than differences.
Actually, I agree with you. If Milt is the nominee, he would be another creation of the establishment - just like McCain.
I will vote for any of the other 6, but I will not allow the establishment to select “our” candidate (i.e Milt).
Milt, you are on your own. You can call Joseph Smith for support. I aint buying it. Crazy is all stocked up here.
“Dude, your one vote dont count for squat! And neither does mine. And neither of our votes deserves such a long rant.”
Well as my old boss at Cato used to say “don’t vote, it only encourages them”. But seriously, I know my vote doesnt matter. But Im trying to convince other people to do the same. If Mitt’s ultimate electability is questioned we might be able to avert disaster.
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