Posted on 12/14/2011 4:59:02 AM PST by James Oscar
You’re welcome!
Not mine to second guess God's plan, but someone is going to have to teach many of whatever youngsters who survive how to do things as they used to be done (40-50 year old tech, precomputer and later). Some of us remember, and the more we can pass on, the more likely they are to pull something resembling civilization from the ashes.
It's never too late to learn how to build water wheels, rig generators, build (and design) septic systems or water purification setups or even something so mundane as a road... The more we have documented and safe, even if we don't survive, the better the chance some bright person will discover it and put it to use.
You’re Welcome, Alamo-Girl!
Somebody’s looking for attention......or something to have posted this entire “Book” on FR.... What’s the deal here? Why not a link?
Joe: Wasn’t it in Egypt that they slaughtered all the pigs owned by the Coptic Christians? Not saying that those actions would avert this kind of a crises, but it’s something that your post reminded me of as well. I really do have to go to bed and read the rest in the morning, but it’s like I can’t “put it down”.
James: You really do need to publish this one way or another. Definitely do that. Also, personally I would check into Amazon’s self-publishing as well - a lot of us still prefer old-fashioned printed books, and I think they have a “print-on-demand” type feature. :)
You never know.....
Joe...this whole thread is out of my league of understanding....so can you put it in laymans terms a feeble mind might understand of what's going on we're getting a heads up on...at least it seems we are?????
Rampant H5N1 - rampant HIV due to the Moslem addiction to pederasty - and voila!
(I don’t understand how H5N1 and HIV can “mix” but I am so uneducated it ain’t funny.)
I think H5N1 is going Tamiflu resistant and H2H right now in Indonesia. That alone will create a pandemic with a huge CFR - case fatality rate.
At any rate it seems it's not a matter of containment....one day it's going to cut loose regardless...and cross all borders since there are fast becoming no borders for any nations peoples.
Makes one imagine there was a reason why God kept the middle eastern nations isolated for so many years....now we're rolling out the red carpet in most nations....and with them comes a host of diseases etc. not to mention bugs and critters we never had to deal with.
My understanding of eschatology suggests that anything approaching to an extinction event will not occur to that conflict that occurs whereby IF BUT FOR the Lord's return: all life on the planet would be extinguished.
Moreover, I'm skeptical about "superinfection" due to neuramindase prophalaxis in that tropism for influenza & HIV are different, albeit that there appears that HIV & either human and avian influenza virion plausibly could share alveoli macrophages as target cells betwixt themselves.
Influenza A virus, together with Influenza B virus, Influenza C virus, Isavirus and Thogotovirus, are the five genera forming the family Orthomyxoviridae. Orthomyxoviridae are enveloped, negative-stranded RNA viruses with a segmented genome. Influenza A viruses can be further categorized into subtypes based on two surface glycoproteins, the hemagglutinin (HA) and the neuraminidase (NA). To date, 16 different HAs and 9 different NAs have been found and may occur in virtually all possible combinations. Free-ranging waterbirds are considered to be the natural reservoir of all influenza A viruses. Even though some mammalian species— humans, pigs, horses and dogs—harbor their own influenza A viruses, there is strong evidence that these mammalian viruses originate from avian influenza A viruses. In addition, avian influenza A viruses may cross the species barrier to other mammals without developing into a stable lineage in the new host species. An example is the outbreak of avian influenza virus of the subtype H7N7 in harbor seals in 1979. Interestingly, the primary replication site for influenza A virus differs between birds and mammals. In birds, the virus replicates primarily in the intestinal tract, whereas in mammals, it replicates primarily in the respiratory tract. An important feature of avian influenza viruses is their capacity to mutate into forms that cause high mortality in poultry. Such mutations only have been recorded for the subtypes H5 and H7 and occur after transmission of these viruses to poultry. Based on their capacity to cause morbidity and mortality in chickens, avian influenza viruses are classified as low pathogenic avian influenza virus (LPAIV) or high pathogenic avian influenza virus (HPAIV). - A Critical Role of Cell Tropism for the Pathogenesis of Influenza (doctroral thesis of Riel, D.A.J. van (published by Erasmus University Rotterdam 2010-09-23)Human and avian influenza viruses target different cell types in cultures of human airway epithelium (PNAS - Edited by Peter Palese, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, NY, and approved January 30, 2004 (received for review December 3, 2003)
HIV tropism refers to the cell type that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infects and replicates in. HIV tropism of a patient's virus is measured by the Trofile assay.
"T helper - Th - cells are a sub-group of lymphocytes, a type of white blood cell, that play an important role in the immune system, particularly in the adaptive immune system. These cells have no cytotoxic or phagocytic activity; they cannot kill infected host cells or pathogens. Rather, they help other immune cells—they activate and direct other immune cells. They are essential in B cell antibody class switching, in the activation and growth of cytotoxic T cells, and in maximizing bactericidal activity of phagocytes such as macrophages.
Mature Th cells express the surface protein CD4 and are referred to as CD4+ T cells. CD4+ T cells are generally treated as having a pre-defined role as helper T cells within the immune system. For example, when an antigen presenting cell expresses an antigen on MHC class II, a CD4+ cell will aid those cells through a combination of cell to cell interactions (e.g. CD40 and CD40L) and through cytokines." - T helper cell (from the Wiki)
The foregoing notwithstanding, I'm greatly appreciative of MA's superior knowlege concerning virion science; I'm certain she's forgotten more than I'll ever know about the matter. Although her arguments are compelling, I'm unconvinced that what she fears will actually manifest itself to the degree she alludes to.
"My understanding of eschatology suggests that anything approaching to an extinction event will not occur to that conflict that occurs whereby IF BUT FOR the Lord's return: all life on the planet would be extinguished."S/r:
My understanding of eschatology suggests that anything approaching to an extinction event will not occur prior to that conflict that occurs whereby IF BUT FOR the Lord's return: all life on the planet would be extinguished.
In birds, the virus replicates primarily in the intestinal tract, whereas in mammals, it replicates primarily in the respiratory tract.At the time I was making the argument that nobody had any clue concerning the probablities concerning mutations necessary to get the one to aerosolize into the other form.
Concerning HIV & influenza "superinfection" there are even greater unknowns with respect to probablities.
That notwithstanding, I believe that MA's concern with regards NA prophalaxis of the clinically immunodepressed may warrant concern.
If a mutagenically active influenza virion - trans species and high degree airborn transmisivity vector - arises akin to canine parvo-virus, circa early 1970's, we're in a world of hurt. That being said: I'm skeptical that's going to have anything to do with fusion of HIV & influenza virion.
My greatest concern is that a confluent and virulent strain of avian & human influenza arises having symptoms akin to canine parvo-virus, albeit pneumo-thoracic hermoraghic.
Even at mere 20% fatality that will be a complete and total nightmare.
I would recommend adding this forum to your early alert system.
Killing off the pigs won't stop that possibility because the petri dishes are those HIV infected in the Muslim world, sexually used as children (boys), who might become infected with the highly contagious (but relatively benign, normally) H1N1 variant. Throw in Tamiflu and the HIV mutation rate accelerates in those with compromised immune systems.
With the description of HIV as a 'devious' bug, hiding from, tricking the human immune system in order to destroy it, all it needs is the capability to be spread by aerosol rather than the slower and less efficient intimate contact necessary now.
An area with the H1N1, H5N1, and widespread (although that is undocumented because of the stigma attached to homo activity, officially, in Islam) buggery, and with the incredible mutation rate of HIV, Egypt provides a definite possibility for the origins of such a bug.
Slaughtering the pigs won't remove that threat, it just impoverishes those who eat non-halal meat...and means there will be less pig blood to threaten the 'believers' afterlife with.
It opened a floodgate that not only empowered people with an avenue for investigation, but in many ways gave validity to the thoughts that were inside of them - thoughts that had no audience to listen nor forum to speak.
It is rare that we get to meet a person who changed the world in their lifetime, and I have always felt very honored to have spent the time I did with her.
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