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1 posted on 12/14/2011 4:56:10 AM PST by Kaslin
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NYT = liberals.

Liberals believe in “global warming”.

Nuff said.


2 posted on 12/14/2011 4:58:52 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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The NYT is working for the other side and always has been. The sooner they are put out of business the better off everyone is.

They are trying to mislead our public into ignoring the EMP threat. At the same time they are misleading the funny little foreign guys into thinking this is the way to go if they want to hurt the USA.

In the end millions of people will die because of the evil resident at the NYT.

3 posted on 12/14/2011 5:01:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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Gingrich is absolutely spot on with this issue.


4 posted on 12/14/2011 5:04:38 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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Thanks for this thread.


5 posted on 12/14/2011 5:05:38 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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“...rendering our nuclear counterstrike abilities utterly moot.”

There’s a lot of uninformed speculation throughout both sides of this article.


10 posted on 12/14/2011 5:41:56 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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EMP is a very real concern...whether it becomes weaponized or comes from the sun. Let the NYT slam and then hide their heads in the sand.

My former Congressman, Curt Weldon, spoke of EMP quite often as a threat we needed to be ready for..


12 posted on 12/14/2011 5:50:16 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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Politics aside, the EMP stuff is largely BS.

They like to use terms like “frie”, etc, but that aint the case.

The threat to the grid is limited to data aquisition and control equipment, not literally the “grid” (wires and poles) itself.

Most such equipment is sufficiently “hardened” already, in order to be able to withstand lightning - a strike of which applies exponentially more nergy to the grid then EMP.

This whole EMP thing is basically AGW’s little sister.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 5:50:55 AM PST by Pessimist
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Here’s a good example of BS hype:

“The 1859 Carrington event, were it to happen today, could be even more destructive than a nuclear weapon, frying power grids worldwide.”

Notice the statements here, then go to the link and read about the event.

Sparking, induced current. No mention of the wires being “fried” though. And realize that they didn’t even know about twisting pairs of wires to reject induction yet. They basically hung out a continent wide antennna, and this was all that happened.


14 posted on 12/14/2011 5:55:16 AM PST by Pessimist
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“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword to a science-fiction thriller published in 2009 that describes an imaginary EMP attack on the United States. A number of scientists say they consider Mr. Gingrich’s alarms far-fetched.

The fact that this is science fiction never enters into this guy's mind but in fact Newt is correct at least to a large degree.

The impact that a nuclear explosion would have on the entire country is dependent on where it exploded, how large it was and what kind of warning we had.

No one has the ability to put a missile into orbit without uncle sugar being aware of the launch, now how we react to it, is both a technological question {we have the technology to handle it} as well as a question of political will to make a hard decision to react.

18 posted on 12/14/2011 6:17:53 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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Whoa. This is the FIRST irrefutable article that tells me that EMP is a threat.

Not because of what was written, but because the NYT, an avowed enemy of the United States, implicitly encourages our enemies to strike in this venue.

19 posted on 12/14/2011 6:22:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (That's all.)
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Newt is absolutely right. Iran probably can't hit us with a nuke but could send us back to their age (i.e., the stone age) with one well-placed EMP blast over Kansas, fired from a ship off the East Coast.

Bill Forstchen's book "One Second After" was one of the scariest books I've read in years, because it's ALL possible, and we are doing almost nothing to counter it. (Why bother to fire hundreds of missiles when you can debilitate your enemy with one?)

20 posted on 12/14/2011 6:24:16 AM PST by LS
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Thank whatever, that the New York Times knows that there are no threats to the USA except for radical WASPs.


22 posted on 12/14/2011 6:35:19 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kaslin; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...

Have been beating that drum a long time.

Derision is still common.

Thanks for posting the truth.


24 posted on 12/14/2011 6:38:56 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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The most infamous thing in the NYT article was the flip assrtion that, hey, we can just shoot down any missile over the United States.

Besides that being completely untrue, the NYT has spent decades ridiculing and impeding missile defense in every way imaginable. One of their favorites is to say there is no way on earth it can be effective.


27 posted on 12/14/2011 6:52:34 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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A man has to know his limitations and then he arms himself.


28 posted on 12/14/2011 7:12:03 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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Next to a full nuclear attack, EMP attacks are at the top of the list. EMP attacks have long been considered to be a key threat (since the 50s) and has always been a major threat factor in strategic nuclear planning. It would severely cripple the general economy and all non-hardened communication nodes, which is most every communication and electronic device we rely on day to day. Hope the journalist does not have a pacemaker because if there were an EMP event he would tach out.


29 posted on 12/14/2011 7:25:46 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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I have a news flash for the NYT. NASA’s number 1 concern is an EMP. My fiancee’s nephew works as a high level consultant for NASA and he told us they are terrified we will experience an EMP.


30 posted on 12/14/2011 7:54:38 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I guess the guys at NYT didn’t see NCIS-LA last night....


33 posted on 12/14/2011 8:50:15 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (To Obama, bipartisanship is giving the opposition the opportunity to do as they are told. (WGensert))
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William J. Broad

37 posted on 12/14/2011 9:57:18 AM PST by kcvl
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In debates and speeches, interviews and a popular book, he is ringing alarm bells over what experts call the electromagnetic pulse, or EMP — a poorly understood phenomenon of the nuclear age.

Here's what happened back in 1962 (link to PDF)(emphasis added):
ON July 9, 1962, the United States detonated a 1.4-megaton thermonuclear device in the atmosphere 400 km above Johnston Island. The event produced a plasma whose initial spherical shape striated within a few minutes as the plasma electrons and ions streamed along the Earth’s magnetic field to produce an artificial aurora. Fig. 1 shows a photograph of the artificial aurora three minutes after detonation as recorded from a KC-135 aircraft.

Concomitant with the artificial aurora was a degradation of radio communications over wide areas of the Pacific, lightning discharges, destruction of electronics in monitoring satellites, and an electromagnetic pulse that affected some power circuitry as far away as Hawaii.

The event was recorded worldwide as the plasma formed at least two intense equatorial tubes, artificial Van Allen belts, around the Earth [1], [2]. These tubes, or plasma toroids, contained relativistic electrons bound by magnetic fields; the source of intense amounts of synchrotron radiation. The radiation lasted far longer than expected; the decay constant was of the order of 100 days. (Mankind, unknowing, has viewed synchrotron radiation from the Crab nebula for centuries. The only known mechanism that produces synchrotron radiation are electrons spiraling about a magnetic field at nearly the speed of light).

Thus, the shape of the phenomena as recorded at radio, visible, and high frequencies was that of plasma “donuts” encircling the Earth, which mimicked the Van Allen belts.

The artificial aurora shown in Fig. 1 also shows plasma striations that arise from instabilities. This paper describes characteristic features of laboratory plasma experiments and simulations, especially for high-current Z-pinch conditions, and compares these features with petroglyphs and other ancient writings, which may have been associated with auroral observations.

As in the natural aurorae at the northern and southern magnetic poles, the streaming charged particle electrical currents, Birkeland currents, are of the order of megaamperes [3].

Figure 1 legend:

Fig. 1. Starfish thermonuclear detonation July 9, 1962, 400 km above Johnston Island. The photograph was taken from a Los Alamos KC-135 aircraft three minutes after initiation time. An artificial striated aurora has already formed from the plasma particles, spreading along the earth’s magnetic field. The brightest background object (mark) at the top, left-hand corner, is the star antares, while the right-most object is [theta]-Centauri. The burst point is two-thirds of the way up from the lowest plasma striation.

48 posted on 12/14/2011 12:24:56 PM PST by aruanan
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