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Consensus breaking out: Not Newt
Washington Post ^ | December 4, 2011 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 12/04/2011 6:04:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

On Friday, I suggested that Republicans “could pull a name out of a hat and find a more consistent and personally stable conservative” than Newt Gingrich. Many smart conservatives seem to agree. (VictorDavisHanson points out that with Gingrich as the nominee the GOP would forfeit the “crony capitalism” issue; No one has been a bigger crony than he.)

The latest and perhaps brightest warning flare to the right is sent up by GeorgeWill. There are too many delicious lines in his column from which to choose a favorite. (e.g.,“There is almost artistic vulgarity in Gingrich’s unrepented role as a hired larynx for interests profiting from such government follies as ethanol and cheap mortgages”; “Gingrich, who would have made a marvelous Marxist, believes everything is related to everything else and only he understands how.”) George patiently explains to those who think the conservative movement began with the Internet and is defined by those who can burnish the most withering rhetoric: “Conservatism inoculates against the hubristic volatility that Gingrich exemplifies.” Yes, Gingrich is what conservatism aims to save us from.

Now, George would choose TexasGov Rick Perry or Jon Huntsman. RameshPonnuru would take MittRomney. There is also RickSantorum to consider. Reasonable conservatives differ on the alternative, but other than sheer contrarianism and temporary amnesia it is hard (for those who want to maintain the ideological health of the conservative movement and win the WhiteHouse) to justify embracing Gingrich. That he is more “gregarious, upbeat” than he used to be is no reason to choose him as president or to declare he has turned over new leaf.

For those conservatives who are not systematically averting their eyes, Gingrich every day gives Republicans further reason to conclude there is no “New Newt,” only the same disorganized egomaniac who drove his House caucus to revolt.

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Once again the WaPo tries to select the GOP candidate. Nice try no cigar.


161 posted on 12/04/2011 7:39:59 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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Deja Vu!

Although Churchill’s role in World War II had generated him much support from the British population, he had many opponents. He also expressed contempt for a number of popular ideas, in particular creating a system of national public health care and improving public education. Partly as a result of this Churchill was defeated in the 1945 election by Clement Attlee and the Labour Party.[1] There are different possibilities as to why he lost this election; it could be that the voters thought that the man who had led them so well in war was not the man to lead them in peace, or that the election result was not a reaction against Churchill personally, but against the Conservative Party’s record in the 1930s under Baldwin and Chamberlain. Also, the proposed policies of the Labour Party with its reforms such as introducing the NHS may have been thought a better party. During the opening broadcast of the election campaign, Churchill astonished many of his admirers by warning that a Labour government would introduce into Britain “some form of Gestapo, no doubt humanely administered in the first instance”.[2] Churchill had been genuinely worried during the war by the inroads of state bureaucracy into civil liberty, and was clearly influenced by Friedrich Hayek’s anti-totalitarian tract, The Road to Serfdom (1944).


162 posted on 12/04/2011 7:41:55 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newter the Democrats and newtralize the RINOS - the Senate, House & WHouse)
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To: LimberJim

Newt is leading in 3 states (IA SC FL) and is second place in NH.

In 2008, was anyone doing so well in all 4 states with only 4 weeks to go before IA decided?

I understand McCain shot up, but we have to remember:

A) there was no one who was polling strongly in all 4 states AND nationally (but Gingrich is now)

B) McCain had never shot up to lead national polls only to swiftly fade to near single digits (like Perry & Bachmann now)

As far as polling goes, McCain was slow and steady and won the race. If anything, it suggests Newt will win.


163 posted on 12/04/2011 7:48:21 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: babble-on
Seriously, the smoke-filled room would be far better than this system.

The problem is that Rove is the biggest producer of such smoke.

164 posted on 12/04/2011 8:04:40 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I know. I left off the /s


165 posted on 12/04/2011 8:14:09 AM PST by samtheman
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To: sodpoodle
it was intra-party jealousy.

It wasn't jealousy, it was embarrassment. The man was dirty and thats why it was so easy for the Clintons to roll him. If he had been an ethical and moral man he would have been battered but not destroyed. Instead, who would stand by a man who was having an affair with a staffer while pointing a finger at Clinton? Remember, he was fined $300,000 by a majority republican eithics committee.

166 posted on 12/04/2011 8:15:05 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have come to the conclusion that the media and 95% of freeperdom could care less about the truth about candidates.

IF they like them they will parse, ignore flaws, deny, excuse, breastbeat, wail, praise and accuse everyone else of malfeasance and never once admit maybe their candidate made a mistake.

IF they do not like a candidate then every accusation is true and merited. Every flaw accurate and should be magnified and it is all relevant.

And anyone who disagrees is a POS or deserves a FUWD or You're a liberal troll.

Forget what Sarah did or Cain did over and over or never(lol) or Newt said or who he banged or Perry gaffed or Mitt conspired in some tabernacle or what devil Michelle hired.

The saddest and most telling thing is that despite all the talk about truth here and in our culture. It matters little.

It's about perception and a willingness to believe or disbelieve what suits preconceived appraisals.

Major flaw of our kind.

167 posted on 12/04/2011 8:15:40 AM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have come to the conclusion that the media and 95% of freeperdom could care less about the truth about candidates.

IF they like them they will parse, ignore flaws, deny, excuse, breastbeat, wail, praise and accuse everyone else of malfeasance and never once admit maybe their candidate made a mistake.

IF they do not like a candidate then every accusation is true and merited. Every flaw accurate and should be magnified and it is all relevant.

And anyone who disagrees is a POS or deserves a FUWD or You're a liberal troll.

Forget what Sarah did or Cain did over and over or never(lol) or Newt said or who he banged or Perry gaffed or Mitt conspired in some tabernacle or what devil Michelle hired.

The saddest and most telling thing is that despite all the talk about truth here and in our culture. It matters little.

It's about perception and a willingness to believe or disbelieve what suits preconceived appraisals.

Major flaw of our kind.

168 posted on 12/04/2011 8:16:00 AM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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To: wardaddy

I never really was a big fan of impeaching Clinton for Monica, it was his policies that I opposed. Plus all we would have gotten out of Clinton leaving was Al Gore as President, and most likely a Gore win in 2000/2004. Plus the only politician that lost his job over “Monica Gate” turned out to be Bob Livingston.

I gave up a long time ago on expecting politicians being paragons of virtue, we don’t vote for a Pope. I don’t care about Newt’s relationships with his past wives, it’s his policies I question, but still if he’s the only thing standing between Romney being the nominee (which will guarantee a second term for Obama), then I have no choice but to support Newt, warts and all.


169 posted on 12/04/2011 8:22:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Look at their accomplishments. Newt allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Reevolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.

Romney, on the other hand, vehemently denied Ronald Reagan and aligned himself with Ted Kennedy and the left. Romney accomplished installing liberal big government programs, defended and promoted Roe v Wade and legalized abortion as “settled law,” advocated and implemented RomneyCare with its liberty killing government mandates against formerly free citizens and its taxpayer funded or subsidized and mandated abortion procedures. He ran and governed to the left of Ted Kennedy on the “gay agenda” resulting in gay marriage in Massachusetts. He appointed liberal judges and liberal appointees throughout his government. Under his “leadership” conservatism and the Republican party was all but destroyed in Massachusetts.

Romney is one evil liberal progressive. No way in hell will MittBots be allowed to support this abortionist, big government, socialist scumbag on FR!

Guess my message isn’t clear enough. I have to keep repeating it and zotting would be MittBots.

79 posted on Sat Dec 03 2011 19:59:37 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by Jim Robinson


170 posted on 12/04/2011 8:24:01 AM PST by narses
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I actually supported Perry at first. But the ones who are still clinging to his unrealistic image, have gone way over the top to try to destroy the best front runner we have had in decades.

Of course they won't succeed, but you can bet that the MSM is watching these threads intently, to get insight into how to best attack and destroy Newt.

Our best attribute going for us, is Newt himself. He has the ability to turn any attacks made on him, into an advantage. This is the sole reason that the harder he is attacked from both sides, the stronger he gets.

The line Newt gave Hannity the other night illustrates it well. When asked how he will handle the 1 billion dollars worth of media smears to be used against him, his reply was; “You underestimate the intelligence of the American people. A Billion Dollars worth of lies, is still, a Billion Dollars worth of lies.”

Excellent line.

As was the line in his summation last night illustrating that he's the only one who truly GETS IT in terms of what kind of enemy Obama and the Alinskies really are.

Perry sees it as a "Washington Problem", which is true, but severely incomplete. All the others are likewise shortsighted in their appraisal of the beast that is consuming our great Republic.

Only Gingrich sees it clearly... and articulates it clearly.

171 posted on 12/04/2011 8:25:37 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If the Washington Post is starting to get worried about Newt than maybe we do have the right guy.


172 posted on 12/04/2011 8:37:37 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He was hyperbolic. “He’d call something ‘the single most corrupt act in the history of Western civilization’ . . . always these Armageddon-type announcements,” says Rep. Pete King (R., N.Y.).

Shut up Pete King. Back then, at least Newt was on the right of impeaching Clinton, while you went on all the propaganda outlets trying to save Clinton.

173 posted on 12/04/2011 8:48:20 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He was hyperbolic. “He’d call something ‘the single most corrupt act in the history of Western civilization’ . . . always these Armageddon-type announcements,” says Rep. Pete King (R., N.Y.).

Shut up Pete King. Back then, at least Newt was on the right of impeaching Clinton, while you went on all the propaganda outlets trying to save Clinton.

174 posted on 12/04/2011 8:48:24 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He was hyperbolic. “He’d call something ‘the single most corrupt act in the history of Western civilization’ . . . always these Armageddon-type announcements,” says Rep. Pete King (R., N.Y.).

Shut up Pete King. Back then, at least Newt was on the right of impeaching Clinton, while you went on all the propaganda outlets trying to save Clinton.

175 posted on 12/04/2011 8:48:28 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: wardaddy
It's about perception and a willingness to believe or disbelieve what suits preconceived appraisals.

The media came to that conclusion and polished it during the 60's.

They know that repetition contributes to, and eventuality becomes reality in the eyes of sheeple, truth be damned.

Has been used to ridicule and vilify many aspirants to high office, with great success.

The same tactics are frequently injected onto this board concerning the current race in attempts to box and package candidates into neat packages of refuse.

Some see these attempts for what they are, others simply grab and run with it like chickens with a morsel of bread.

Face it, only a few per cent actually think and weigh the candidates with regard to the constitution and the good of the country.

Mostly, it is the hair and make up, the presentation, and what they have heard as background noise leading up to the election.

Witness the political landscape and current state of affairs.

176 posted on 12/04/2011 8:52:50 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: ez

Yeah, I saw the same thing you did. Basically, the Democrats and their lickspittle lap dog the MSM assasinated him, figuratively. And you are right, they had to do that, to try and preserve their power, and keep their “true nature” concealed.

I saw essentially the same thing, in what they did to Sarah Palin. And, once again, in what they did to Herman Cain.

The MSM wing of the Democrat party are choosing the Republican candidate, and no one seems to get this. They are indirectly (masterfully, I might add) orchestrating the whole Republican primary, and nearly all the Republican pundits are falling into the trap. And, heaven knows, the Republican Party will not do anything to stop this (as if they wanted to).

I wouldn’t lose a bit of sleep if every MSM outlet, Fox included, were put out of business tomorrow, and we had to rebuild all the news outlets from scratch...


177 posted on 12/04/2011 9:24:55 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: InterceptPoint
If the Washington Post is starting to get worried about Newt than maybe we do have the right guy.

Is there a not-Romney and not-Gingrich for Iowans? The same columnist, on the same day, praising Santorum.....I guess now the WaPo is a "good" news source. LOL.

178 posted on 12/04/2011 9:28:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t trust Newt. End of story. He needs “Big Government” to implement his “idea of the week”. The only ones I’m looking at right now are Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum.


179 posted on 12/04/2011 9:59:57 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Matchett-PI
I don’t trust Newt. End of story. He needs “Big Government” to implement his “idea of the week”.....

Bump!

180 posted on 12/04/2011 10:03:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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