Posted on 11/24/2011 5:37:51 AM PST by NaturalBornConservative
During the CNN GOP National Security Debate on 11/22/2011, Newt Gingrich recommended a comprehensive approach to address illegal immigration. Just for the record, what Mr. Gingrich really said about Amnesty may be viewed here.
Gingrich said that such a plan must (A) start with securing the border, then (B) establishing a guest worker program, and finally (C) setting up a board to review the status of each person here illegally. Such a board would distinguish between those who recently came here, and those who are more established. He said that those who recently came here, who don't have family ties, or are otherwise not established, should be sent home. While those who are established, who have been here for 25 years or more, who have children and grandchildren in America, who belong to churches, who have obeyed the laws, and who have paid their taxes, should be allowed to stay legally, but not automatically granted citizenship. For the latter, he recommended using something similar to the Red Card Solution, which would be used as a form of identification, to grant legality, and place them on a path towards citizenship.
The Krieble Foundation's Red Card Solution is a proposal which would allow companies to recruit workers from Mexico. The Red Card would permit workers to enter America, and would allow employers and immigration authorities to track them. It would aid in enforcement of immigration laws, with less intrusion by the government. According to the Krieble Foundation:
"It’s a simple solution. Private employment agencies would be allowed to open offices in foreign countries, and authorized to issue temporary non-citizen worker permits. The permits would be “smart cards” with a microchip that includes a photograph, fingerprint or other biometric identification data, and information needed so that border agents, police, and employers could swipe the card and know who the holder is, where he works, where he lives, who issued the permit, when it expires, and any other required information. Employment agencies would be licensed by the government and would be required to run criminal background checks before issuing non-citizen worker permits, much like gun shops do today. Employers would simply post jobs with employment agencies like they do today. Best of all, the program would be funded by user fees, not taxpayers."
Gingrich also recommended that H1 Visas be granted with every graduate degree in math, science and engineering, to encourage foreign students to stay in America.
For the most part, I concur.
And completely oblivious to the consequences it sets forth - namely that we pay billions in taxes to support illegals and that they take jobs from Americans.
Typical of just about everything that slithers out of the Beltway.
Following that logic, then anyone who proposes to secure the border first is just an "amnesty shill". I believe the question was - What will you do with those who are already here illegally, after securing the border?
We can't blame those who are already here for having simply walked across an unsecure border, or for the federal government's failure to identify, ID, and track them. Calling anyone with a reasonable plan an amnesty shill, doesn't solve the problem. Besides, what Gingrich proposed isn't really amnesty. It's a way to solve the problem, with broad based appeal.
Cain isn’t competent to occupy the White House. He is only marginally more qualified than the clown in office now. Herman Cain can hardly find Libya on the map. He is clueless on foreign policy and how to conduct it. He is so far out of his depths on national defense issues that he looked pathetic in the last two debates. His only recourse has been to fall back to meaningless bromides and vague generalities. The only person more clueless in the debate was Ron Paul.
As opposed to what? Newt and his complete immolation in the Beltway culture? DC is full of 'competent' people who have no clue how the real world functions, with budgets and hard decisions and sweat. Your definition of a competent person is that of the persons who have screwed up this country to the point it is.
And comparing Cain to Obama is absurd as well - Cain has run something other than his mouth.
Uh, no.
But it is what the likes of McCain and Lindsey Grahamn love to say. You have to look at the history of the person, and what they propose in tandem to declaring the border secure, to see their underlying agenda.
Because, after all, Janet Nappy has declared the border secure. Do you trust DC types to tell the truth about this? I don't. They believe you can spend money while still treating it as an asset. If you can believe that, you can convince yourself of just about anything.
Yep. This foundation, which is also against enforcement measures such as e-verify, has proposed a worse solution than probably anything else out there.
No employer would have incentive to provide the least bit of improvement in their workplace environments or their manual labor jobs as long as they can go to whatever god forsaken corner of the planet and sign up “workers” to come fill their openings in the US. And that is exactly what this red card program would permit them to do. If they can find anyone among 7 billion people willing to do a job for less and lesser conditions, they can bring them on over.
Of course, we’ve already got a majority of the illegals here receiving government benefits and there has never been a guest worker program that hasn’t simply led to the long-term immigration of those “guests”.
Read the thread...calling names is a big part of the dirtboy's repertoire.
We have seen this before.
Some grand bargain that has both enforcement and some amnesty.
It is always a lie.
The enforcement never comes and amnesty is expanded.
If Newt is honest, lets start with enforcement, and if it works, only then consider amnesty. You amnesty shills always try to lie
Okay, then Cain for Secretary of Commerce, or something. Gingrich for President. Bachmann for VP.
It is not surprising to watch a Beltway hack like Newt call for an amnesty program that screws American workers and taxpayers in the name of humanity for illegals. It is surprising to see so many FReepers waving the pom-poms for such.
And since the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty of 1986 now happened 25 years ago, what Newt is doing is rewarding prizes to the very first group of lawbreakers to enter illegally and start waiting for the next amnesty for illegal aliens.
And here old Newt is ready to hand out the grand prize to the first group of lawbreakers, and providing irresistible encouragement for the next group of lawbreakers.
I call names where it is richly deserves, Mr. Troll who can't even ping a FReeper when they are talking about him.
Rolling in the same direction it has been going for years, with maybe the slightest veer to the right. No thanks.
Translation: more years of non-enforcement of immigration law under the pretense that nothing can be done until the border is secured.
And why is it that a president could not start stricter enforcement at the employer level today, if we had a president with any intention of enforcing the law?
Nothing but pandering, kick the can down the road garbage from Gingrich, and his grand plans would end in amnesty for all several years from now.
And here I thought conservatives were supposed to learn from mistakes.
You're first response to me on this thread:
There's ignorant and there's just plain downright dishonest, which are you?
Such a brazen display of rank hypocrisy, troll-boy.
“For the most part, I concur.”
Then you still need to learn something about politics. Consider what a politician has done, not what they say.
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