He's written a book on the topic, has a health care think tank, just did a lengthy debate including Medicare and Medicaid this past Saturday... yes, that's it, Newt "struggled to offer specifics" ... in 60 seconds.
Posted on 11/09/2011 8:43:37 PM PST by LesDowrey
WINNERS
* Mitt Romney: The former Massachusetts governor was on friendly territory tonight with an economic-themed debate set in the state where he was born. The crowd was very much on his side — cheering virtually anything he said.
* Newt Gingrich: The former House speaker has happened onto a winning debate formula. He bashes the media at every turn, says the format of the debate is ridiculous and throws out red meat — fire Bernanke! — that gets the crowd on his side early on. With Cain’s problems and Perry’s brain freeze, Gingrich is likely to be the biggest beneficiary coming out of tonight.
* Herman Cain: Given how the night could have turned out for Cain, he and his team — such as they are — have to be happy. Cain had to answer just a single question on the sexual harassment charges against him and he did so to an audience that repeatedly made its unhappiness with the direction of the question apparent. Instead Cain spent most of the debate promoting “9-9-9” and touting himself as a “bold”outsider.
LOSERS
* Rick Perry: The 43-second-stumble that was Perry’s attempt to name the three federal agencies he would eliminate as president will go into presidential debate folklore as one one of the most awkward moments ever. It’s hard to overemphasize just how damaging this was for Perry. Moments like this have consequences for candidates. Perry’s fundraising is likely to slow (stop?) as major donors who either were on board or thinking about getting on board will take a major step back. Ditto voters who were undecided on Perry.
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New catch phrase: “The 43-second Gap”?
One way ticket to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
You’re right, Newt needs to rein it in a little. I thought the first attack vs. Bartiromo was appropriate, but he became a bit belligerent at one point.
Still, his answers on most things were great. He would demolish Obama in a debate, particularly on healthcare.
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appearances.
Nearly all that I saw were within the last several hours.
My take on the debate FWIW, probably not very much but like before, I’m gonna give it anyway.
1. Gingrich - A-, potential heir apparent (or last great hope of conservatives) if Cain can’t knock off Romney. Pissed off Maria real good, but his over 30 second answer was a little short on substance.
2. Romney - B, one of his poorer performances, nevertheless standing out in substance over most of the rest of the crowd; a toned debater. The Weekly Standard clowns, Krauthammer, Ingraham, O’Reilly Auto Parts, & Rove were backstage cheering him on.
3. Bachmann - B, kept her pace from the last debate where she also fared well; the only one with the huevos to shoot down payroll tax delays; the purity but unelectable candidate continued to overuse “tax attorney” and repeal Obama care; In spite of the kudos, she doesn’t have a chance and needs to get out of the race.
4. Cain - B-, handled the cheap shot question from the presstitutes well; over dwelled on 9-9-9 and showed some lack of detail or substance which tended to support the flamers belief that he is shallow in depth; nevertheless, it would make a lot of people’s day if he ended up getting the nomination making the “pundits” listed in #2 above look like the RINO @$$wipes that they are.
5. Paul - C+, kept his straitjacket on from the last debate, avoiding some of the Jerry Moonbeam moments. Some of his remarks were right on, while others seemed somewhat incoherent.
6. Santorum - C-, the sanctimonious PA flash that endorsed Specter and lost his last race only highlight was his endorsement of MANUFACTURING, almost completely omitted by all the other candidates; other than that, he is an empty suit that needs to exit the premises.
7. Perry - D, no not an F. Whether you like him or not, most people felt sorry for his memory lapse that commodians will make fun of like they do to all conservatives. He gets a D, not for that lapse, but for continuing inability to articulate anything beyond energy policy and Texas job creation. A lack of cohesion and substance and PRIOR debate performances will likely result in the total collapse of his campaign. Tonite was just the icing on the cake or the coup de gras. He needs to come back home and continue to reduce the coyote population in the Hill Country. He confused jumping in the race with jumping off the cliff.
8. Huntsman - F, took sanctimony to a level exceeding that of Santorum. China supporter, occupy supporter, heck he might as well have come out and said he was an Obama supporter. Came across as trying to lecture everybody in the hall.
Conservatism started out with a wide array of choices that have one by one opted out; been sabotaged by presstitutes, RINOS, or DimCraps; didn’t know how to handle interviews or debates; or crashed and burned on their own or a combination of the above.
The last man standing (not Tim Allen) is likely to be either Cain (missing some substance plus fighting what appears to be liars trying to malign his reputation) and Gingrich (policy wonk with adultery, couch sitting with Nancy, a whiney voice, and a press that will go after him with a vengeance after his repeated bashing of them). Unless Palin changes her mind, it is looking more and more like conservative efforts to derail the Romney train will fail. That’s sad because while Romney talks a good game (sounds like a real conservative in the debates), if he wins (highly questionable), he would be just another “more of the same politician”. If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you always got.
“Princess Nancy” by Herman Cain
And is was *not* the verdict they wanted. Now, the question begs, will they try for 'an appeal'?
I truly hope so, because they'll lose *that* as well...
the infowarrior
He's written a book on the topic, has a health care think tank, just did a lengthy debate including Medicare and Medicaid this past Saturday... yes, that's it, Newt "struggled to offer specifics" ... in 60 seconds.
“I have three things to say about the debate. First, I agree that Romney and Gingrich did well tonight. Secondly, the debate was entertaining I did not change the channel for almost a full hour. Thirdly, uh um uh um uh um uh um.....”
LOL! That’s funny.
“Kind of reminded me of the president of the Science Club that you dreaded to talk to because they always tried to show you how smart they were.”
Bingo. Newt wears his arrogance on his sleeve. He has a very high opinion of his intellect. The thing is, he is really smart, but his intellect is scattered; it’s all over the place. And he is constantly dropping word bombs, guaranteed to get the crowd going, but ever so calculated in intent. Newt is a very mixed bag, with a not so hot moral character (3 wives, 2 of whom he cheated on, etc.). Not my cup of tea.
“I thought Maria lost, rather appropriately, considering her snotty attitude and rude style
(does that make me a racist or something?)”
No, that makes you a sexist pig, lol. Maria is a little snot, IMO.
Excellent analysis, and witty to boot. Kudo’s.
There was no reason for him to stall, particularly on healthcare since he has very deep and specific ideas. He was right to point out the topic deserves more than just 30 or 60 seconds. That's as bad as Pelosi's we need to pass ObamaCare to find out what's in it.
Newt just spent an hour (or more) debating Cain on Medicare and Medicaid reforms on Saturday.
The questioner's leaning showed in the post show when she remarked none of the debaters had any solutions for "shovel ready" jobs.
I don't know if any of the candidates is "electable" at this point. We should just sit back and watch Obama win and Pelosi retake the House. That's where we're heading.
“...the crowd literally booed them...”
I was surprised at that. This was a Detroit crowd, which I expected to be liberal. And it was on CNBC, which has a business audience, but still liberal. Do you know how the crowd was selected ? Can we tell anything from their reaction to the smear attempt on Cain ?
Hannity has Gloria Allred on ... right now. Looks like FOX is trying to pimp this story for all it’s worth. Which in my estimation is zilch.
Have to say - Gloria Alred and hannity seem to be playing a game on us.
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