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Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?
Frum Forum ^ | October 7, 2011 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Today, the Susan B. Anthony list and National Organization for marriage released a joint scorecard for the Republican candidates for President at the annual Values Voters Summit. Ordinarily, a release like this carries few surprises, and in this election cycle so dominated by fiscal issues, a scorecard devoted to gay marriage and abortion is unlikely to carry the same weight it would have in the past. However, what may surprise those perusing the score card this time around is the fact that one candidate – the one widely interpreted as the most conservative in the race – actually falls to the Left of most of his peers on both issues.

That candidate is Herman Cain. According to the scorecard, Cain, who many have interpreted as a Huckabee-style populist outsider, looks more like Ross Perot when social issues are discussed. On abortion, Cain is one of only two candidates who have refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony’s pro-Life pledge, a pledge which asks candidates to “commit to key pro-Life goals if elected to the Presidency in 2012.” The other candidate who has refused to sign is (unsurprisingly) former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, whose record on abortion is famously confused. However, Cain still ends up to the Right of Romney in the aggregate on the issue, given that Romney is the only candidate to refuse to make it a priority to appoint pro-Life appointees to Executive Branch offices if elected.

It is on gay marriage where Cain takes more liberties. In fact, on gay marriage, he appears indistinguishable from Libertarian Rep. Ron Paul. Cain has refused to sign the Pro-Marriage Pledge, refused to support the so-called Federal Marriage Amendment, and has “Unknown stances” on every other issue the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) scores, other than defense of the Defense of Marriage Act, which every GOP candidate is on record supporting. In contrast, candidates like Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and even Mitt Romney have openly said “Yes” to every question asked by NOM.

Given that Cain is perceived as the conservative standard bearer who has eclipsed more socially conventional candidates like Rick Perry, this raises an important question: Is Cain actually conservative enough for his support base, or are social issues actually in their twilight years?


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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain Won’t Support Marriage or Civil Unions for Gays, Thinks Homosexuality is a Sin: Videos

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/06/cainmarriagesin.html#ixzz1a70PoaXV


41 posted on 10/07/2011 9:00:34 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sad.

I do feel sorry for you.

42 posted on 10/07/2011 9:01:02 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Just DROP IT. She's NOT getting in. Unite NOW for *Herman Cain* as the anti-Mitt/anti-RINO leader!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sad.

I do feel sorry for you.

43 posted on 10/07/2011 9:01:17 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Just DROP IT. She's NOT getting in. Unite NOW for *Herman Cain* as the anti-Mitt/anti-RINO leader!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

—Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?—

Whenever I see questions like this, I always follow up with the exact same question: Compared to whom?

Is Sarah qualified? Compared to whom?

And with all Romney’s flip flops, saying someone lines up with Romney really isn’t saying anything at all without further elaborating.


44 posted on 10/07/2011 9:01:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

FRUM is one of the RINO’s that Claim to be Conservative.

As for the “Pro LIFE PLEDGE”... there are parts of it, that are not exactly Constitutional, as it blurs the line between “Separation of Powers”.

Besides... the ONLY THING a President can do about abortion, at this time, is Appoint ORIGINALIST JUDGES to the Supreme Court.

Actually, this whole thread sounds like something from a PAULBOT!@!!!!


45 posted on 10/07/2011 9:02:28 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... Cult of the DAMNED!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie
It is a blog posting from a Left leaning GOP Establishment site.

With a LINK to Susan B. Anthony List & NOM Announce Joint Voter Guide on Presidential Candidates at Values Voter Summit.

46 posted on 10/07/2011 9:04:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is it true?

No

If it is, it isn’t mud slinging.

Yet it isn't true as any number of documented posts on this thread prove. Yet you refuse to ask the Admin Mods to retract this dishonest smear attack. Since you are so unwilling to retract a lie, one has to wonder, what else is the Perry camp lying to us about?

47 posted on 10/07/2011 9:04:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...also, did you check that author out? Mytheos Holt (I assume a pseudonym) has a lot of writings promoting Ron Paul (a candidate who really doesn't have room to talk on these social issues) and saying that Republican should appeal to 'John Stewart'.
48 posted on 10/07/2011 9:04:41 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Social issues and as well, race card playing, then denying ever saying the words we heard him say. All of these appear fungible if you’re “careening for Cain”.

Even Cain saying, I would accept the VP, but just not with Rick Perry. Meaning Romney, who else, nobody else is up there.

Never mind, we’re “careening for Cain”.

(PS) Zogby Interactive is notoriously unreliable.


49 posted on 10/07/2011 9:05:15 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: ArtDodger

I thought Cain wanted the 999 plan to replace the existing tax system.


50 posted on 10/07/2011 9:05:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You have any CURRENTLY RUNNING candidate you like better? If so, who and why?


51 posted on 10/07/2011 9:05:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Looks like the RINOs are keeping a stranglehold on the GOP. And we’ll all be told to hold our nose and vote GOP. And we’ll all be disappointed three months after the election and nothing has changed.

I REFUSE to vote for anyone who is not against abortion (and more than just lip ser4vice, DeathCare, illegal immigration and homosexual “marriage”. If that means 0bambi is reelected, so what. Going over a cliff at 100 MPH vs. 75 MPH has the same result. You’re still dead.


52 posted on 10/07/2011 9:05:59 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I think some folks don’t mind bearing false witness just to tear down anyone who isn’t their candidate.


53 posted on 10/07/2011 9:06:31 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Which is knowing misleading and distortion Cains record on this issue as has been documented to you on a number of posts on this thread.

Yet you continue pushing this intellectually dishonest smear job.

Since you are willfully lying to us by refusing to retract this smear, one has to wonder, what else is the Perry camp lying about?

54 posted on 10/07/2011 9:07:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Yes, Cain is socially conservative enough for me.

Next question?

55 posted on 10/07/2011 9:07:32 AM PDT by vortigern
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No candidate is ever going to see things completely my way, until I run for president.

As of now, I am not, but if nominated, I will run. If elected, I will serve.

56 posted on 10/07/2011 9:07:39 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: gwilhelm56; Cincinatus' Wife

Yep and Cincinatus Wife just saw her allegations buried by FACTS.

Mark my words, she will be on here again and again posting these same lies unless the Admins decide to put a stop to it.


57 posted on 10/07/2011 9:08:19 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain: ‘It’s Not Planned Parenthood — No, It’s Planned Genocide’

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/herman-cain-it-s-not-planned-parenthood-no-it-s-planned-genocide

I am already sick of the lies about Cain.


58 posted on 10/07/2011 9:10:30 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t really care what that document says, it is wrong.

There are at least a dozen links here from Herman Cain’s own mouth proving it is wrong.


59 posted on 10/07/2011 9:10:34 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: butterdezillion

**I thought Cain wanted the 999 plan to replace the existing tax system.**

And as an Interim Step to the FAIR TAX...

which works for me!!


60 posted on 10/07/2011 9:10:42 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... Cult of the DAMNED!!!)
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