To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Mind-numbed Robot; Matchett-PI; MHGinTN; metmom
John Wheeler, Matter tells spacetime how to curve, and spacetime tells matter how to move.There is no signal processing, no "telling" - no transfer of information content from sender to receiver (Shannon et al.) The term "information" as hijacked by physics - also known as "physical information" actually means determinism which is causality whether direct or indirect.
You are correct, there is no transfer of information, hence no causality, as per your definition.
I am glad we cleared that up : )
370 posted on
08/27/2011 4:04:18 PM PDT by
LeGrande
("life's tough; it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
To: LeGrande; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Mind-numbed Robot; Matchett-PI; MHGinTN; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; ...
You are correct, there is no transfer of information, hence no causality, as per your definition. I am glad we cleared that up Which does not validate YOUR position by default.
So, no, it did not clear up anything.
374 posted on
08/27/2011 4:18:43 PM PDT by
metmom
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To: LeGrande; betty boop; metmom
You are correct, there is no transfer of information, hence no causality, as per your definition.
Causality is not limited to events involving the transfer of information content. Likewise at post 376 you said:
The collapse of the wavefunction creates a new state. Something new is certainly created, but there is no cause, that is the point.
Creation is a causal event. Wave function collapse is a causal event.
Evidently you have presumed that a causal event requires an intelligent agent. It does not.
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