[Alamo-Girl]

Let me quote John Wheeler, “Matter tells spacetime how to curve, and spacetime tells matter how to move”. It is incorrect to say that either 'causes' the other. Cause and effect only provides a circular argument.

There is no signal processing, no "telling" - no transfer of information content from sender to receiver (Shannon et al.) The term "information" as hijacked by physics - also known as "physical information" actually means determinism which is causality whether direct or indirect.

Wheeler is describing just such a causal relationship between space/time and energy/momentum - in essence suggesting that it doesn't matter which is labeled "cause" or which is labeled "effect."

But unless he ventured into geometric physics in the same discussion, his remarks would be construed under a directional arrow of time (as compared to volumetric time) - meaning it is up to the observer/physicist to select which is cause and which is effect for his particular investigation.

[betty boop]

Absolutely outstanding insights, dearest sister in Christ!

[LeGrande]

John Wheeler, “Matter tells spacetime how to curve, and spacetime tells matter how to move”.

There is no signal processing, no "telling" - no transfer of information content from sender to receiver (Shannon et al.) The term "information" as hijacked by physics - also known as "physical information" actually means determinism which is causality whether direct or indirect.

You are correct, there is no transfer of information, hence no causality, as per your definition.

I am glad we cleared that up : )