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To: tpanther
If I were going to assume a created system, first of all, I would not expect adaptive changes, since presumably, components of the created system would have been specifically designed for the niche they occupy and wouldn’t need to adapt.

Operative words: If I were going to assume a created system, first of all, I would not expect adaptive changes.

This is purely ad hoc reasoning that doesn't have anything at all to do with reality or possible reality, merely taste and notion.
209 posted on 08/23/2011 6:29:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Operative words: If I were going to assume a created system, first of all, I would not expect adaptive changes.

This is purely ad hoc reasoning that doesn't have anything at all to do with reality or possible reality, merely taste and notion

In the creation/evolution debate, one feature I have observed multiple times is that creationists try to incorporate features of evolution (e.g. "microevolution" or "adaptation") in an attempt to make a scientific sounding "theory" of creation.

But that is dishonest. If we are to accept creation as the method by which life appeared on Earth and exists in the variety that we see, then we must accept the Biblical version of creation, not some version that has had elements of evolution mixed into it. So, since for the purpose of the discussion, I put myself into the position of a scientist trying to design my research on the basis of creation "theory", I'm making assumptions based on creation as the Bible describes it. And the Biblical account of creation makes no mention of any adaptive process or need for one.

Also, I have heard, over and over, "God is perfect," and "God does not make mistakes." Well, adaptation only occurs because of sub-optimal conditions. Sub-optimal conditions don't suggest either perfection or lack of mistakes. Therefore, I would not expect to see adaptive changes in a created system--there wouldn't be any need for them.

213 posted on 08/23/2011 7:10:51 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: aruanan

Good sound observation!

This notion about perfection truly astounds too. Liberals must put aside their own notions about perfection and how they deduct and define what creation is, what perfection is or even means, NOT ONLY are those terms different from person to person, but indeed they are moving targets, that is to say, those notions change even for me, when I was a young man compared to what I think now! It’s perfect insomuch as God’s plan and that is truly all liberals need worry themselves over!

How many times must we remind liberals that God truly is in control?

Perfection would dispatch with the notion of a heaven and hell and free will and so on...

Besides, understanding scripture and God to expound on betty boop’s patiently and logically designed reasoned response; requires more than just reading or speaking or hearing words, The Bible being God’s Word, in order to be understood, requires a Christian heart as well as a mind to understand!

Christians understand what bettyboop and I are talking about, liberals...ummmm, not so much.


218 posted on 08/23/2011 8:06:46 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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