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When a Civilization Goes Mad
Pajamas Media ^ | August 16, 2011 | David Solway

Posted on 08/16/2011 11:32:17 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/16/2011 11:32:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Only God can save us now.
fitting.


2 posted on 08/16/2011 11:46:08 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: wagglebee; americanophile

Powerful article!


3 posted on 08/16/2011 11:46:08 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Kaslin

Only God can save us now.
fitting.


4 posted on 08/16/2011 11:47:05 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Kaslin

Just Damn!

If we think of any society as one entity - or as one flawed individual - then the psychoanalysis might apply.

But this modern nation; the USA is an amalgam of small communities and 50 States. That regionalism mus be preserved at all costs. Those enclaves where family and faith are still paramount.

In order to remain one Nation Under God, we must not become ONE NATION without God!!!!!


5 posted on 08/16/2011 11:47:18 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair: Man's surrender. Laughter: God's redemption.)
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To: Kaslin
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6 posted on 08/16/2011 11:48:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Pinging to this excellent article.


7 posted on 08/16/2011 11:51:38 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Kaslin
THE COURSE OF EMPIRE

~ Thomas Cole ~
1833-1836



The Savage State

The Arcadian or Pastoral State

The Consummation of Empire

Destruction

Desolation

8 posted on 08/16/2011 11:59:45 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kaslin

carrol Quigley in “The Evolution of Civilizations” describes the rise and fall of six or seven civilizations (he says there are about 24 real civilizations in history). He notes that they fall because the rise of intellectualism destroys the ideological basis (generally a religion) which produced the civilization. So with nothing to believe in people turn to the irrational substitutes which claim to have answers or to pleasure-seeking and nihilism.

As people refuse more and more to fight for their civilization when it is attacked or uses its military, it becomes incapable of preserving itself from the attackers from outside the civilization. All those examined fall to invasion from lesser developed areas on the fringe of the civilizations.

He analyzes the Mesopotamian, the Canaanite, the Minoan, the Egyptian, the Classical, and Western Civilization. And finds the same things in them all in their rise and fall. The Western Civilization has been the only one which has come to the point of collapse (three times) and managed to reform itself and continue. He did not make a prediction as to whether it could do this again and puts the crisis of the 1930s at the heart of what must be reformed.


9 posted on 08/16/2011 12:02:28 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: arrogantsob

puts the crisis of the 1930s at the heart of what must be reformed.


Please expand on that.


10 posted on 08/16/2011 12:04:24 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Awesome pictures by and awesome artist. The Luminous School was fantastic and proof that American artists are or were as good as any in the 19th century at any rate.


11 posted on 08/16/2011 12:05:34 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: arrogantsob
"...proof that American artists are or were as good as any in the 19th century at any rate."

For the most part I agree with you, but as a HUGE fan of the Pre-Raphaelites, I'd contend that movement only could have started in Europe under the protective wing of Ruskin.

My Senior Thesis for my Art History BA was on Cole's Voyage of Life. I spent many hours in the National Gallery, completely engrossed in those paintings, and indeed, they are amazing.

12 posted on 08/16/2011 12:18:04 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kaslin

In a story with truly bizarre parallels to today, the Byzantine Empire was split into four factions. The Blues, Greens, Reds and Whites.

The Blues were the largest faction, and had been supported by the Emperor Justinian, but had been persuaded by the more radical Greens to join with them and overthrow the emperor.

But the empress Theodora I refused her husband’s plea to flee Constantinople and abdicate the thrown to the Green leader. Instead she called a peace conference, in which the Blues and Greens flooded into a giant amphitheater. Then she sent in a trusted slave with a bag of gold to the leader of the Blues, and reminded them that the emperor had long supported them.

They took the hint, and as a group, the Blues left the amphitheater, leaving the Greens who were more than happy to rule the whole empire for themselves. But after the Blues left, the amphitheater was surrounded by the army, who then went in and killed the Greens.

Simply by eliminating the most radical group of people in the empire, Theodora I extended the life of the empire by another 200 years.

The interesting comparison with today is if you envision these factions as we do today. Blue States and Red States, with the radical Green faction threatening our nation at every turn.

It just shows what one person can do. Empress Theodora I, by the way, was eventually given Sainthood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodora_%28wife_of_Justinian_I%29


13 posted on 08/16/2011 12:23:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kaslin
Is a return to psychic health at all possible? Do civilizations convalesce?

Possibly, depending on your definitions of these terms.

The Roman Empire was in the process of falling apart in the 2nd century, but strong emperors rescued it for a couple more centuries.

The Byzantines had multiple episodes of collapse or semi-collapse over a thousand years followed by resurgence.

The Chinese imperial system fell apart many times from warlordism and invasion over three thousand years, but always came back in recognizably the same form.

Of course, the question is whether these examples were really the "same civilization" when they bounced back, or had morphed into what was essentially a new one.

14 posted on 08/16/2011 12:24:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin

Awesome essay.


15 posted on 08/16/2011 12:28:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The Nika riots.

Estimate half the city destroyed and 30,000 rioters killed.

Good times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots

Has parallels to the way Jehu handled the Baal worshippers. Get all your worst opponents together in one place and then send in the military.


16 posted on 08/16/2011 12:29:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: PeterPrinciple

Quigley says that the rise of civilizations are powered by what he calls “instruments of expansion”. For the Classical civilization, for example, it was slavery.

Western Civilization has had three periods of crisis and reformed itself three time going through three instruments of expansion: commercial capitalism, state mercantilism, industrial capitalism, we entered into the stage of monopoly capitalism around 1900 which produced the disaster of the 1930s and resulted in what he calls a “pluralist economy”. Whether this will be a successful reform of monopoly capitalism is still up in the air.


17 posted on 08/16/2011 12:33:54 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I am also a huge fan of the Pre-Raphaelites. They would or might be the only exceptions to my claim. However, if women were really as beautiful as they represented I would be in deeep trouble since I love nothing more than a beautiful woman.


18 posted on 08/16/2011 12:39:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: arrogantsob
"However, if women were really as beautiful as they represented I would be in deeep trouble since I love nothing more than a beautiful woman."

There is a gal who works a half a block away from me who looks like she stepped out of a Rossetti painting. Every now and then when I'm leaving for lunch or home at the end of the day, I'll catch a glimpse of her walking to her car. Simply stunning.

19 posted on 08/16/2011 12:45:12 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: sodpoodle

And as I read that, it occurred to me, perhaps the sacrifice that must be made in order to preserve some semblence of civilization is the sacrifice of the cities. Let them burn; let them riot; let them riot and loot and burn until there’s nothing left to steal and nothing left to do except to beat one another senseless as they turn to stealing from one another. Then as the electricity begins to fail and the water supplies are cut off, they’ll begin to consume one another in a frenzy of killing while the saner members die attempting to flee the cities only to find themselves dying of hunger and thirst and feral animals having insufficiently provisioned themselves for the attempted escape. And the few that do manage to make it to the next town or village will be greeted by the well placed bullets of the righteous and their torn bodies will be burned in the town square.

That’s a heavy price to pay for the preservation of civilization, but it’s a price we should gladly pay.


20 posted on 08/16/2011 12:49:30 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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