Posted on 07/30/2011 8:01:41 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
I wish I was kidding:
Would Americans increase peace in family life and strengthen family bonds if they adopted more accepting attitudes about sex and whats allowable under the family roof? Ive interviewed 130 people, all white, middle class and not particularly religious, as part of a study of teenage sex and family life here and in the Netherlands. My look into cultural differences suggests family life might be much improved, for all, if Americans had more open ideas about teenage sex.
Amy Schalet is a sociology professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, via an education at Berkeley and Harvard and a postdoctoral fellowship at UC San Francisco. So its safe to say that Im not surprised that shes staked out some ground somewhere on the far left of left in her new book. As the father of a newly minted (one week ago) teenage daughter, however, this one has my head spinning around. And not in the fun head spinning around kind of way.
While I havent read the book, I am using some of the points that Dr. Schalet chose to illustrate her conclusions. Some of these conclusions seem more like generalizations based on what she picked out from her own book to make her case.
Kimberly and Natalie dramatize the cultural differences in the way young women experience their sexuality. (I have changed their names to protect confidentiality.) Kimberly, a 16-year-old American, never received sex education at home. God, no! No, no! Thats not going to happen, she told me. Shed like to tell her parents that she and her boyfriend are having sex, but she believes it is easier for her parents not to know because the truth would shatter their image of her as their little princess.
Natalie, who is also 16 but Dutch, didnt tell her parents immediately when she first had intercourse with her boyfriend of three months. But, soon after, she says, she was so happy, she wanted to share the good news. Initially her father was upset and worried about his daughter and his honor. Talk to him, his wife advised Natalie; after she did, her father made peace with the change. Essentially Natalie and her family negotiated a life change together and figured out, as a family, how to adjust to changed circumstance.
It is quite unfortunate that Kimberly didnt receive any sex education at home. As this article is laid out, she is supposed to be indicative of the American teenage experience. And she may very well have been if this was written in 1965. Its true that I havent conducted any research on this subject. I am, however, fully immersed in the child-rearing experience, which, at the very least, gives me a legitimate frame of reference from which to form a somewhat informed opinion about this subject.
Im comfortable responding with anecdotal experiences as there isnt much detail about the research criteria that would seem to be most relevant to the opinions Dr. Schalet offers. The sample is described as white, middle class and not particularly religious. I get the white part but am not sure I think that the American and Dutch middle classes are perfectly analogous. And not particularly religious is about as helpful as somewhat taller than a few of the people who live behind one of my next door neighbors.
The Gosh, why cant we just be more like Europe? meme is a familiar one with academics who write for the New York Times and could easily warrant a book-length response so Ill leave that for another day.
Another one of the most tedious things about the Times in recent years has been the effort made by contributors to work a left-leaning talking point in any article. Dr. Schalet doesnt pass up the chance to shill:
Respecting what she understood as her familys dont ask, dont tell policy, Kimberly only slept with her boyfriend at his house, when no one was home.
Hey guess what I got an email about from Obama for America last Friday?
But enough about the hack nature of a newspaper that was great about a thousand years ago. Back to the book. Let us go to yet another quote from the good doctor:
The difference in their experiences stems from divergent cultural ideas about sex and what responsible parents ought to do about it. Here, we see teenagers as helpless victims beset by raging hormones and believe parents should protect them from urges they cannot control.
Or we see them as children grappling with their first encounters with adulthood. I dont view my daughter as a victim of adolescence, I see her as a very, very young person who doesnt need to be thrown into independence without an instruction book of sorts and a safety net. In other words, she isnt ready to make adult decisions because she has a very limited understanding of consequences. So, much to the chagrin of Dr. Schalet and many other progressive types, I will continue to parent; I wont punt the responsibility to my child.
The Dutch parents I interviewed regard teenagers, girls and boys, as capable of falling in love, and of reasonably assessing their own readiness for sex.
Dont call your eye doctor, you did just actually see the words teenagers and reasonably assessing their own readiness for sex in the same sentence. Its probably not a stretch at this point to wonder whether Dr. Schalet was ever a teenager. Her op-ed scholarship continues in the next sentence:
Dutch parents like Natalies talk to their children about sex and its unintended consequences and urge them to use contraceptives and practice safe sex.
The implication, of course, is that American parents do not.
I am a practicing Roman Catholic, admittedly overprotective father and Ive had conversations with my daughter on the subject. We went over every sex-education lesson she got in school, both before and after. Naturally, she wasnt thrilled to be talking to her dad about any of it but she relaxed a little and actually brought it up after a while. We were able to do this because we have always communicated which, of course, is the foundation of any success a parent can hope to have once the kids start navigating the random waters of puberty. I harbor none of the illusions that Dr. Schalet continually implies American parents have. In the past year, I have talked to many parents from backgrounds far more diverse than the sample used in this book and found that Im not an anomaly. Again, this isnt olden times, many of us do try to communicate with our children now.
Let us move onto the most blood-boiling statement from Dr. Schalet:
Normalizing teenage sex under the family roof opens the way for more responsible sex education.
That is the second time in the article the word normalizing is used. Dr. Schalet employs the tired progressive academic tactic of defining the terms of a faulty premise from which to continue unabated on to predetermined conclusions. And these conclusions only work if you are willing to radically redefine normal as she sees it.
Which I am not.
They all turned out pretty messed up.
Satan has his way.
And if home doesn’t work for trysts, there’s always willing public school teachers.
The reason I don’t go to NY Times for life advice.
At least keep a working lock on the bathroom door.
What could go wrong?
Dear Mr. Kruiser,
I'll ignore all your other hopey-changey Obamaisms and just zero in on this one, for which you should be run out of town on a rail.
The concept of a "fether being worried about his honor" involving his daughter's relationships, is a cover story for Muslims commiting murder against their own family members. Got that, jackass? MUSLIMS ONLY.
NO ONE ELSE ON THE PLANET murders their family members by invoking the word "honor," you lying piece of garbage. "Honor" does not mean, nor justify, murder, to ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT MUSLIMS, you filth.
So take your lying, seditious, apologetics for murdering Muslim scum, and your grotesque and insulting implication that ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET EXCEPT MUSLIMS would invoke the concept of "honor" to murder their own children and SHOVE IT.
Catholic? You're a Leftist tool, is what you are. And your shamelessness is matched only by the perversity of your lies, and your protection of child murderers. You. Are. Scum.
I - HOPE - I've been clear.
Teaching self control is one of the most important jobs a parent has. It transcends the issue of teenage sex: drug use, theft, traffic laws, indulging in anger, etc. Parents that abdicate their responsibility are ultimately abdicating the norms that allow people to live together harmoniously in society.
Now...
It's like...
"Hey, isn't that Bills' daughter???"
Calm down and read the article. Mr Kruiser didn’t say that. It was said in the book he is talking about and no one said anything about Muslims and murder either. The father was worried that his reputation would be ruined because he had a daughter that was having sex.
Wow is all I can say.
I can envision several scenarios where this would end badly.
That portion is not from Kruiser, but a quote from Amy Schalet’s book comparing sexual attitudes of Dutch and U.S. parents.
Glad to see they found away to keep race involved is such a high quality "study."
In high school, it was always best to date girls who had moms that worked.
My son wanted to have his girlfriend move in with us.
I didn’t say No, I said Hell no.
Kids are hardheaded, they got an apartment, even got married eventually, that lasted 6 months when she ran off with another fellow of the darker persuasion.
Kids won’t listen they know it all ,and have been told that by their teachers and the new morals in America.
Like any of them where my daughters were involved.
MARRIAGE! THEN SEX!
Not terribly rational on the face of it, but it's a winning sociological strategy, and kids learn better when the message is simple and repeated often.
I had a complete porch shotgun that actually never got put together until both girls were married. It stayed next to the rocking chair, ready for yet another cleaning. Shovel leaned up next to it.
/johnny
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