“I certainly don’t say all, but most - seem to be started by birthers against fellow freepers who are trying to make rational arguments and rational analysis to honestly say whether there’s really anything there or not.”
My perception of this comes to the opposite conclusion. All of these threads immediately attract a dedicated group of Obama appologists who post a bunch of Alinsky type ridicule followed by the same disproven talking points along with irrelevant links that do nothing but waste other people’s time. I find the term “birther” offensive and a transperant attempt to lump all persons who question Obama’s fraudulant personal narrative together. This small group of Obama appologists tend to make arguments as rational as the celebrated hosts from Comedy Central or the MSM.
Well, it's very interesting to hear your perception. And I don't question that your statement of that perception is sincere.
And I'm sure you're right about some resorting to ridicule.
And I agree with you about the term "birther." I usually try to avoid using it, but slipped there.
That being the case, I can certainly forgive you for having lumped all those you disagree with into the category of "Obama apologists." :-)
I'll do my best to refrain from personal attack and ridicule, and hope that those who share your point of view will do the same as well.
This thread is a perfect example of what you describe. Immediately we had a poster saying that he/she had “checked it out” and because Justia has the corrected version posted right now, Donofrio must have forged the screenshot; anybody who had been interested in facts, logic, and evidence would have seen this immediately and rejected Donofrio’s “conspiracy theory”.
When that was shown wrong by the Google-cached page, the argument changed to saying it was a system-wide problem that just got solved yesterday. First an example that was apples and oranges because the text of the decision clearly never did include the titles of the cases. Then an example from Way Back Machine that my computer won’t let me go to. A big waste of my time. And again, accompanied by claims that a person would have to be wilfully blind or lazy in order to not realize that Donofrio’s claim is crazy.
There are people on both sides of the issue who attack people rather than dig into facts, and there are debunked claims that show up over and over again on both sides of the eligibility issue. I suppose that is just human nature.
But the game you described is played out in every eligibility thread, usually by the same people. As long as the game is still being played and people are kept busy sorting out the meaning of the word “is”, Obama has what he needs to be able to continue destroying this nation.
The Bible says that where there is no clear signal the troops can’t be called into battle. As long as Obama’s people can keep everything blurry, they’ve won. I’m sick of blurry. If everything is blurry it’s fudge-able, and that means that we can’t count on anything. Nothing is solid. The rule of law is blurry, and facts are blurry; that’s what the Obot disinformation army is all about. The whole running of this country is a big debate. When a government agency breaks the laws/rules we have to wait and see how they will try to justify it, and the game goes on and on and on. When we catch a crook who’s in the country illegally, we have to debate what to do, and in the end the crook goes free to rape, murder, or steal from somebody else.
It’s crazy. It’s absolutely crazy. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways, and this nation is unstable in all its ways. Everything we’ve built the nation on is up for debate now. We have no Constitution. We have no rule of law. We have no courts. We have no evidentiary standards. We have no genuine news reporters. We have no scientific method or peer review; it’s all politicized, based on federal research grants. We are one big post-modern brain fart, and unless something major changes very soon, the nation will dissipate from a lack of genuine substance just like a fart. I doubt we’ll even be able to collect enough of the remains in order to give America a proper burial. I guess that’s appropriate; America will die of post-modernism and her ashes will scatter on the wind because nobody even knew what or where her body ever was. Bah!