Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
"Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obamas Birth In Hawaii.
I dont know how this slipped below my radar, but back on May 9, 2011, World Net Daily published an investigative report entitled, Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship, which in my opinion conclusively established that Obama was born in Hawaii. In that report, Aaron Klein revealed official documents stored in US immigration files which chronicle the troubles faced by Obamas mothers second husband, Lolo Soetoro, when he petitioned the US Government for a visa extension.
The WND report correctly notes that US officials expressed an interest in determining whether Soetoros step-son, President Obama, was actually a US citizen. The US officials who were handling Soetoros Visa extension application made copious notes in the file and the official comments therein illustrate that these officials doubted some of Soetoros statements. So, they decided to investigate the relationships listed in his application.
Below is the text of the relevant portion of the WND report:
One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.Bensons query stated, There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouses son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicants child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).
The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a child as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a stepchild, whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.
A response to Bensons inquiry came from one W.L. Mix of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.
Mix replied: Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants spouses child by a former marriage.
The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicants step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the childs mother on March 5, 1965.The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.
So here we see the US Government looking into an application for Visa extension by Soetoro. Further review of those documents reveal that the officials did not trust everything in Soetoros application. Therefore, the Government officials wanted to establish whether Obama Jr. was truly a US citizen. They made a direct inquiry on this very issue. And they concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Again, this was established by W.L. Mix of the central immigration office.
Having taken such an exhaustive look into Soetoros application, and especially considering the governments examination of Obamas citizenship, I dont see how the government officials involved would have overlooked the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been out of the US and far away in Kenya on the date W.L. Mix established as DOB for Obama if Obama had been born in Kenya.
Furthermore, a report today by WND, Documents show marriage of Obamas parents a sham, illustrates that a similar investigation as to Obama, Sr. was conducted when he was also applying for a Visa extension. Those official documents include a handwritten memo from the file, written by (presumed) INS official William Wood, which states that Obama Sr.s son, Barack Obama II, was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
Moreover, in todays WND article, Jerome Corsi concludes, as a result of reviewing all of the relevant INS documents, that if President Obama was born in Kenya, Dunham must have traveled there without Obama Sr., who was definitely in the US on August 4, 1961, according to these US Government records. This analysis by Corsi is correct. Obama Sr.s presence in the US at the time of Obamas birth is now sufficiently documented. This fact alone adds very heavy weight to President Obama having been born in the US.
I dont see how two sets of US government officials, independently investigating the relationships between Soetoro and Dunham on one hand, and Obama Sr. and Dunham on the other, could both fail to reveal that Dunham would have been in Kenya at the time of Obama Jr.s birth. The government officials wouldve had access to Dunhams passport files. The contents thereof were relevant to the investigations since she was married to both men, and the marriages were relevant to immigration status, as was the issue of children.
Those who persist in accusing Obama of not being born in Hawaii do so in light of official government investigations, between 1961 and 1966, which established his birth, to the satisfaction of inquisitive government immigration officials, as having taken place on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA.
As far as Im concerned, the issue is settled with a massive presumption of authenticity. I do not see how the information published by WND regarding US immigration official W.L. Mixs investigation into Obamas US citizenship flew so far below the radar. That is the single most important fact I have come across that establishes Obamas birth in Hawaii.
CLOSURE IS POSSIBLE WITH REGARD TO BC ISSUE.
For those who insist on keeping the birther circus alive and kickin (despite the info listed above), I believe there is a simple way to settle the issue once and for all. I have found two references to the fact that the US Government keeps passport issuance records for all passports issued. The most recent is from Congressional testimony on the House floor from March 10, 1998:
In addition, the committee on conference is aware that on weekends there is no Departmental procedure or mechanism to access the passport issuance records maintained by the Consular Affairs Bureau. The result is that when a foreign law enforcement authority inquires about the status of a person or passport on the weekend, the State Department does not or cannot respond. This is a clear deficiency in border security procedures. (See pg. 41/53 in the PDF counter.)
The second reference is to a US Government GAO report written for the Secretary of State that argued for the destruction of passport application materials. The destruction of such materials was the basis of more conspiracy theories as to Dunhams various passport applications and renewals requested in a previous FOIA by Christopher Strunk.
Unfortunately, the FOIA request by Strunk, which has been well documented online, failed to request passport issuance records for Stanley Ann Dunham. Strunk only requested passport application materials. And the governments reply to his FOIA request was specifically limited to passport application materials. Since Strunk didnt specifically ask for passport issuance records, the government was not obligated to search for those records but they do exist and they can be found.
The GAO report which refers to passport issue cards documents the destruction of passport application materials, but it notes that the Government retains all old passport issue cards:
During numerous discussions with GSA about document retention periods, Department officials have presented many reasons for the continued storage of original passport applications. They have placed great emphasis in pointing out that old passport applications can be used to derive the citizenship of others But other ways are just as reliable and effective Should the Department need to verify if a parent was ever issued a passport, old passport issue cards have been microfilmed and can be referenced by the Department. (See pg. 44/70 in the PDF counter.)
Therefore, if Stanley Ann Dunham had been issued a passport prior to President Obamas birth, there will be a passport issue card available with that information. If no such card exists, Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961, and Obama could not have been born in Kenya. She would have needed a passport to be in Kenya.
It is my opinion that a proper FOIA request for passport issue cards (or copies thereof) will establish that Stanley Ann Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961. Such a request must be SPECIFICALLY designed to eliminate all wiggle room. I suggest the following wording:
Please forward all passport issue cards and/or microfilm or microfiche copies, or any other copies thereof or any other documents which reference the issuance of any passport for Stanley Ann Dunham. To be perfectly clear in my FOIA request, please understand that I am NOT interested in passport application materials. Please limit your response and documents to passport issue cards or copies thereof as well as any other documents which the government possesses for Stanley Ann Dunham that refer to her being issued a US passport.
Any FOIA request should NOT ask for more than the passport issuance materials. I cannot stress enough how important it is that the FOIA be strictly limited as suggested above. Such a FOIA should end this conspiracy theory with authority and finality.
I should note that I have come across a certain rabid Obama eligibility supporter who alleges to have done a proper FOIA request as to passport issuance materials. I do not trust this source and I do not have access to the EXACT wording of the alleged FOIA request. Suffice to say that anyone who wants true closure on the place of birth issue should do a FOIA strictly worded as I have suggested above requesting passport issuance documents for Stanley Ann Dunham.
I nominate the folks at WND to take this on and make all aspects public since they are the main news resource for this issue. They are invited to take the suggested FOIA request as written above (in red) and to run with it.
The fourth estate has the power and responsibility to see this through. They should thoroughly document the exact wording of the FOIA request, and they should also document the stages of compliance by the government to such a request as is required by law. Definitive documentation regarding whether Stanley Ann Dunham held a passport prior to August 4, 1961 is readily available to the public.
The Government is required to respond to the EXACT request made. No mention of passport application materials should be forwarded by the government in response to a properly worded FOIA request for passport issuance cards (or other issuance documents). We know the cards/documents exist and that they are necessary to the government as is proved by the GAO report and Congressional testimony.
The GAO notes in their report from 1981 that while passport application materials may be destroyed, passport issue cards are kept. This is beyond dispute.
If no passport issuance documents can be found for Obamas mother prior to his date of birth, then he could not have been born in Kenya.
I am not a person who needs to see anymore proof. I believe now and have always believed President Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you still have doubts, this line of inquiry is crucially necessary.
The BC issue and the birther circus surrounding it have served Obama well. Like Chester Arthur before him, the nation was thoroughly distracted by the place of birth faux conspiracy whilst the true legal question concerning his dual national status despite place of birth was obscured.
Everyone loves a big green juicy salacious conspiracy theory. Thats much more fun than a certified boring legal question, the answer to which was never in the hands of Obama, whereas the BC always was. He who controls the game, controls the outcome. (Ever get the feeling youve been cheated? Johnny Rotten)
I am writing this to clear your attention spans for what will be the most authoritative and well documented analysis I have to offer on the dual national issue concerning Obamas perpetual POTUS eligibility dilemma. I do not want the circus to obstruct the law. If you understand the importance of this post, you will pass it on far and wide so the attention of the nation can focus on the true Constitutional crisis.
Leo Donofrio, Esq."
I’ve got an idea. Post a vanity detailing what you remember and ask if anyone was that person or remembers the thread.
I bet you’ll find it that way.
Dreams is exactly that - dreams. Nothing more.
That is an UNFOUNDED RUMOUR!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2732437/posts?page=35#35
Do These Pics Show Obamas Brains Been Hacked? Wacky New Theory Says Yes
http://209.157.64.201/focus/news/2701729/posts
I think this is what you are looking for. Look up posts by Freeper “Dr. Brian Kopp”
Once I realized that Zero’s parents were not the Kenyan 0bama or Stanley, things really fell into place.
Who does Zero look like? Malcom X. MX was traveling quite a bit during the time frame of possible conception and birth in the Middle East and Africa. FN has quoted something from MX - I think a letter - about “something he started in motion which will not be stopped”. To me it sounds as though he could be referring to a son.
Zero doesn’t just resemble MX physically, but apparently gestures, speech and certainly facial expressions. That was mentioned at length at least a couple of years ago, people were wondering if Zero had studied movies of MX etc.
But it’s interesting that often blood related people do have such similarities - even if they have never met; for instance, twins separated at birth, or a child and parent separated.
If MX had a son born in Africa or the Middle East, and was brought to HI, he would certainly need (a) US citizenship and (b) a name which was not “son of Malcolm X and a foreigner”.
MX hung with commies, Frank Marshall Davis was a commie, looks like the Dunhams were fellow travellers at least, all the people MX hung with in Africa were commies. Chicago was (is!) stinking with commies.
The connections of commies, Muslims and racists all come together - in the White House.
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That Ann S Dunham corresponds to the Ann S Obama discovered in the Polk directory:
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Just a few questions about POLK DIRECTORY:
POLK DIRECTORY: What is a POLK DIRECTORY, and how does the Polk Directory go about its business, that is, how does it get its information that it puts in its directory? Does it go door-to-door, or does it check government records, or does it use the phone to contact people?
Do you know the date when Obama's mother was listed in the Polk directory? How accurate is it, and it is a respected, trustworthy company?
Why do you think that Polk wrote Obama's mother's name as "Obama Ann S." instead of writing "Obama Stanley A."?
Why was Obama's mother listed as a student, because as I understand it, Obama's mother stopped being a college student in Feb. or Jan. 1961, and she didn't resume her college studies untit the fall of 1961 at the University of Washington in Seattle,Washington USA? Thanks.
Exactly - fiction, with a pinch of truth here and there for flavor to make it seem real. They even admit that many of the characters are “composites”!
But still so many people just assume that the main facts are true - the parents, for instance.
People need to remember - take another look - at the fact that BILL FREAKING AYERS wrote it! A commie, anarchist, evil muderer! He wrote the dang thing!
Now, WHY did he write it? Because the commie muslim loving fraud needed cover in order to run for president. He needed an “authentic life”. Without that book and its lies - Zero would be NOTHING AT ALL!
He would be - ZERO!
"This image is of Mark and his late brother David Opiyo (left). Mark dedicated his novel Nairobi to Shenzhen to the memory of David."
Those two children did not have the same parents, and the small difference in their ages makes it impossible for them to be brothers...IMO.
No doubt.
“And if that 1983 date is correct for the first trip to Kenya, then David would still have been alive...if there was a David... which I very much doubt.”
Fred, what exactly are you saying here; that BHO is actually David? Or his twin?
That’s because the child in the picture you identify as “Zero” had a widows peak along his front hairline.
BHO doesn’t have a widows peak.
The possibility that
neither the parents
nor the place
or date of birth
of zero
are known
beyond doubt."
This statement applies to the current, acting p_Resident of the United States of America.
We are up to our ears in deep Kimchi/ Kimchee. Most people just don't realize it, yet.
“Just a few questions about POLK DIRECTORY:
POLK DIRECTORY: What is a POLK DIRECTORY, and how does the Polk Directory go about its business, that is, how does it get its information that it puts in its directory? Does it go door-to-door, or does it check government records, or does it use the phone to contact people?”
I do not know, I live in Australia, I am not familiar with how the information is collected.
“Do you know the date when Obama’s mother was listed in the Polk directory? How accurate is it, and it is a respected, trustworthy company?”
I think it was WND that first posted the scans of the address listings:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=107337
“Why do you think that Polk wrote Obama’s mother’s name as “Obama Ann S.” instead of writing “Obama Stanley A.”?”
I think it was because the woman was Ann S Obama, living with the Dunhams. She might have been the same girl the kenyan is seen with at the Nachmannofs, identified as ANNE/USA.
She might have ended up being ‘the wife in the Philippines from whom he is separated...’
“Why was Obama’s mother listed as a student, because as I understand it, Obama’s mother stopped being a college student in Feb. or Jan. 1961, and she didn’t resume her college studies untit the fall of 1961 at the University of Washington in Seattle,Washington USA? Thanks.”
That’s a real mouthful, isn’t it? It’s possible that Ann S Obama was the student at the University of Hawaii who was enrolled from FALL 1960...she also attended Russian classes with the kenyan.
But she wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham.
And the Seattle address was for ANNA OBAMA. The student who attended the U of WA was probably the same woman.
She was in Seattle when Mary baby-sat in January 1961. She commenced at the U of WA in September, when her child was seven months of age.
Yes, there was a youtube out there last year from some preacher (don’t think it’s Manning) that does a brilliant job of morphing the two and their relatives.
The boy with the widow’s peak grew up to be Roman Obama. The smaller boy is Zero - the guy in the White House.
tell me where the three little boys ended up and who they were?
David is a fiction, just like much of the material and circumstances and relationships in Dreams.
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