Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
"Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obamas Birth In Hawaii.
I dont know how this slipped below my radar, but back on May 9, 2011, World Net Daily published an investigative report entitled, Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship, which in my opinion conclusively established that Obama was born in Hawaii. In that report, Aaron Klein revealed official documents stored in US immigration files which chronicle the troubles faced by Obamas mothers second husband, Lolo Soetoro, when he petitioned the US Government for a visa extension.
The WND report correctly notes that US officials expressed an interest in determining whether Soetoros step-son, President Obama, was actually a US citizen. The US officials who were handling Soetoros Visa extension application made copious notes in the file and the official comments therein illustrate that these officials doubted some of Soetoros statements. So, they decided to investigate the relationships listed in his application.
Below is the text of the relevant portion of the WND report:
One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.Bensons query stated, There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouses son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicants child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).
The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a child as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a stepchild, whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.
A response to Bensons inquiry came from one W.L. Mix of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.
Mix replied: Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants spouses child by a former marriage.
The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicants step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the childs mother on March 5, 1965.The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.
So here we see the US Government looking into an application for Visa extension by Soetoro. Further review of those documents reveal that the officials did not trust everything in Soetoros application. Therefore, the Government officials wanted to establish whether Obama Jr. was truly a US citizen. They made a direct inquiry on this very issue. And they concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Again, this was established by W.L. Mix of the central immigration office.
Having taken such an exhaustive look into Soetoros application, and especially considering the governments examination of Obamas citizenship, I dont see how the government officials involved would have overlooked the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been out of the US and far away in Kenya on the date W.L. Mix established as DOB for Obama if Obama had been born in Kenya.
Furthermore, a report today by WND, Documents show marriage of Obamas parents a sham, illustrates that a similar investigation as to Obama, Sr. was conducted when he was also applying for a Visa extension. Those official documents include a handwritten memo from the file, written by (presumed) INS official William Wood, which states that Obama Sr.s son, Barack Obama II, was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
Moreover, in todays WND article, Jerome Corsi concludes, as a result of reviewing all of the relevant INS documents, that if President Obama was born in Kenya, Dunham must have traveled there without Obama Sr., who was definitely in the US on August 4, 1961, according to these US Government records. This analysis by Corsi is correct. Obama Sr.s presence in the US at the time of Obamas birth is now sufficiently documented. This fact alone adds very heavy weight to President Obama having been born in the US.
I dont see how two sets of US government officials, independently investigating the relationships between Soetoro and Dunham on one hand, and Obama Sr. and Dunham on the other, could both fail to reveal that Dunham would have been in Kenya at the time of Obama Jr.s birth. The government officials wouldve had access to Dunhams passport files. The contents thereof were relevant to the investigations since she was married to both men, and the marriages were relevant to immigration status, as was the issue of children.
Those who persist in accusing Obama of not being born in Hawaii do so in light of official government investigations, between 1961 and 1966, which established his birth, to the satisfaction of inquisitive government immigration officials, as having taken place on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA.
As far as Im concerned, the issue is settled with a massive presumption of authenticity. I do not see how the information published by WND regarding US immigration official W.L. Mixs investigation into Obamas US citizenship flew so far below the radar. That is the single most important fact I have come across that establishes Obamas birth in Hawaii.
CLOSURE IS POSSIBLE WITH REGARD TO BC ISSUE.
For those who insist on keeping the birther circus alive and kickin (despite the info listed above), I believe there is a simple way to settle the issue once and for all. I have found two references to the fact that the US Government keeps passport issuance records for all passports issued. The most recent is from Congressional testimony on the House floor from March 10, 1998:
In addition, the committee on conference is aware that on weekends there is no Departmental procedure or mechanism to access the passport issuance records maintained by the Consular Affairs Bureau. The result is that when a foreign law enforcement authority inquires about the status of a person or passport on the weekend, the State Department does not or cannot respond. This is a clear deficiency in border security procedures. (See pg. 41/53 in the PDF counter.)
The second reference is to a US Government GAO report written for the Secretary of State that argued for the destruction of passport application materials. The destruction of such materials was the basis of more conspiracy theories as to Dunhams various passport applications and renewals requested in a previous FOIA by Christopher Strunk.
Unfortunately, the FOIA request by Strunk, which has been well documented online, failed to request passport issuance records for Stanley Ann Dunham. Strunk only requested passport application materials. And the governments reply to his FOIA request was specifically limited to passport application materials. Since Strunk didnt specifically ask for passport issuance records, the government was not obligated to search for those records but they do exist and they can be found.
The GAO report which refers to passport issue cards documents the destruction of passport application materials, but it notes that the Government retains all old passport issue cards:
During numerous discussions with GSA about document retention periods, Department officials have presented many reasons for the continued storage of original passport applications. They have placed great emphasis in pointing out that old passport applications can be used to derive the citizenship of others But other ways are just as reliable and effective Should the Department need to verify if a parent was ever issued a passport, old passport issue cards have been microfilmed and can be referenced by the Department. (See pg. 44/70 in the PDF counter.)
Therefore, if Stanley Ann Dunham had been issued a passport prior to President Obamas birth, there will be a passport issue card available with that information. If no such card exists, Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961, and Obama could not have been born in Kenya. She would have needed a passport to be in Kenya.
It is my opinion that a proper FOIA request for passport issue cards (or copies thereof) will establish that Stanley Ann Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961. Such a request must be SPECIFICALLY designed to eliminate all wiggle room. I suggest the following wording:
Please forward all passport issue cards and/or microfilm or microfiche copies, or any other copies thereof or any other documents which reference the issuance of any passport for Stanley Ann Dunham. To be perfectly clear in my FOIA request, please understand that I am NOT interested in passport application materials. Please limit your response and documents to passport issue cards or copies thereof as well as any other documents which the government possesses for Stanley Ann Dunham that refer to her being issued a US passport.
Any FOIA request should NOT ask for more than the passport issuance materials. I cannot stress enough how important it is that the FOIA be strictly limited as suggested above. Such a FOIA should end this conspiracy theory with authority and finality.
I should note that I have come across a certain rabid Obama eligibility supporter who alleges to have done a proper FOIA request as to passport issuance materials. I do not trust this source and I do not have access to the EXACT wording of the alleged FOIA request. Suffice to say that anyone who wants true closure on the place of birth issue should do a FOIA strictly worded as I have suggested above requesting passport issuance documents for Stanley Ann Dunham.
I nominate the folks at WND to take this on and make all aspects public since they are the main news resource for this issue. They are invited to take the suggested FOIA request as written above (in red) and to run with it.
The fourth estate has the power and responsibility to see this through. They should thoroughly document the exact wording of the FOIA request, and they should also document the stages of compliance by the government to such a request as is required by law. Definitive documentation regarding whether Stanley Ann Dunham held a passport prior to August 4, 1961 is readily available to the public.
The Government is required to respond to the EXACT request made. No mention of passport application materials should be forwarded by the government in response to a properly worded FOIA request for passport issuance cards (or other issuance documents). We know the cards/documents exist and that they are necessary to the government as is proved by the GAO report and Congressional testimony.
The GAO notes in their report from 1981 that while passport application materials may be destroyed, passport issue cards are kept. This is beyond dispute.
If no passport issuance documents can be found for Obamas mother prior to his date of birth, then he could not have been born in Kenya.
I am not a person who needs to see anymore proof. I believe now and have always believed President Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you still have doubts, this line of inquiry is crucially necessary.
The BC issue and the birther circus surrounding it have served Obama well. Like Chester Arthur before him, the nation was thoroughly distracted by the place of birth faux conspiracy whilst the true legal question concerning his dual national status despite place of birth was obscured.
Everyone loves a big green juicy salacious conspiracy theory. Thats much more fun than a certified boring legal question, the answer to which was never in the hands of Obama, whereas the BC always was. He who controls the game, controls the outcome. (Ever get the feeling youve been cheated? Johnny Rotten)
I am writing this to clear your attention spans for what will be the most authoritative and well documented analysis I have to offer on the dual national issue concerning Obamas perpetual POTUS eligibility dilemma. I do not want the circus to obstruct the law. If you understand the importance of this post, you will pass it on far and wide so the attention of the nation can focus on the true Constitutional crisis.
Leo Donofrio, Esq."
Name Change for Obama Found in British Columbia?
drkatesview ^ | 6/3/2011 | drkate
Posted on Monday, 6 June 2011 10:25:25 PM by Beckwith
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2730525/posts?q=1&;page=51
Re: What’s with the Registration Date 1973 vs. 1982 signature?
Have no idea. Wondered myself. That’s a screen snapshot from a video, so it’s hard to make out.
You know pretty much what I know.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2732437/posts?page=239#239
I think this is the source of that ‘document’
In 1961, they would most likely be in a journal-type book, accessible by the public.
If anyone is in Hawaii, go down to the City Clerk's office and check. The legend is that on February 2, 1961, against Madelyn's hopes, and against the desires of Obama's father back in Kenya, Ann, three months pregnant, and Obama hopped a plane to Maui and got married.
Lies, lies and more lies.
Gotcha!
Ruling and governing are clearly different concepts.
partial german-english translation...
While Obama’s campaign there was much excitement about his lack of birth certificate: Agents of the Underground Reich scattered at that time the rumor that Obama was not born in the United States. This is of course nonsense. Although he is an Egyptian citizen, descendant of an ancient Coptic family, but it came during a vacation his parents, General Mounir Hakram Ubayd, and the Ethiopian Amira tenager Ubayd, born Zenawi, to the world in Hawaii.
The original birth certificate shows this clearly:
Obama’s birth certificate (original)
The small Barak grew up in Kario, but the Ubayd spent much time in Canada, where Obama on the family nanny, Stanley Ann Dunham, was taught in the language and cultural customs of the United States. During this time, his parents changed his name to “Barack Hussein Obama, “ as this document proves that I have received from the archives of the Vatican’s secret service...
I DO BELIEVE ‘THE SMALL BARAK GREW UP IN CAIRO’ That’s why we don’t see him in Hawaii until he’s about three years of age!
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/its-a-date/
Ladysforest has already done that...all you will find is an index available for public viewing that shows an undated marriage listing for the years 1960-1965.
There is also and undated listing for the birth of one Barack Hussein Obama 11...with the YEAR range removed from the folder.
Wouldn’t “an undated marriage listing for the years 1960-1965” have the names of those married?
All the index Ladysforest refers to are scanned onto her blog for which I provided a link.
I can run those off all day long with a simple SQL query tool. Make ‘em look any way I want with any info I want.
I'm talking about source documents. There has to be a register of marriages in Hawaii.
I gotta start getting ready for bed. You and I are on different schedules. You're just having your morning coffee I expect. It's still yesterday here.
Cheers . . .
OF COURSE THEY ARE!
I can run those off all day long with a simple SQL query tool. Make em look any way I want with any info I want.
And they appeared out of no-where only recently...
I'm talking about source documents. There has to be a register of marriages in Hawaii.
Maybe Ladysforest can provide some more detail on what she went through during her investigation?
That translation is wild.
When you say the small Barack spent the first 3 years of his life in Cairo you mean “the man in the White House currently known as BHO”, right - just want to make sure I got it all nice and straight.
What, you’re not in your footed sleepers already??
Blessed, Luminous...Ubayd is a town not far from Mecca, so it's a very arabic name, could be Coptic or Islamic, I have no idea.
There is something about the story that does hang together, if only vaguely. But why a name change in 1973?
Pidgeon should have taken the matter further, I haven't read the book, but there must be an official record in Canada.
SKOOCHUMCHUCK? A little town in the middle of nowhere...near the WA border? It all does need looking into further, shame Pidgeon didn't do it? As I wrote, when I first saw this, the only really interesting item is the NAME. WHERE DID THE GERMAN WEBSITE find that? A secret Vatican site is a little difficult to swallow, right?
It’s yet another strange clue with some thing/s that match, others that are out in left field...
This is the strangest puzzle in the world.
What was it - the Vatican secret service. Does the Vatican have one?
I wonder if Copts are generally anti-Semites or not.
I usually sleep till noon.
something about SKOOCHUMCHUCK from a freeper:
excerpt:
FYI having just come back from that part of British Columbia, I can tell you that I lived not far from Skookumchuk and on a bad day you could smell Skookumchuk and it wasnt pretty! The main industry in the town was the source of the population, not the towns population! Skookumchuk is a pulp and paper mill owned by a Japanese consortium Tembec Industries, but during the time Attorney Pidgeon is referring to it was owned by Crestbrook Forest Industries. IT WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN MINING AS HE STATES IN HIS VIDEO! The mining was from Kimberly where I lived for 14 years and where my family lived from 1929 eventhough both my grandparents were U.S. citizens. During the time Attorney Pidgeon is talking about in 1982, both Skookumchuk and its cousin the lumber plant down the road would shut down for 3 months and hire students from the College in Cranbrook to work shift work watching over things and making enough money to pay their tuition for the next year. At that time there were very very few foreign students at the College...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2728977/posts?page=291#291
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