Everything you've heard about fossil fuels may be wrong

Salon ^ | May 31, 2011 | Michael Lind

[Dallas59]

What about oil being RACIST??? They left that out. Oil is eeeevvviiilll.

[RetiredTexasVet]

I agree with several of the other commenters. The end goal of the environmentalists is LESS people. You will note that the greenies are also the biggest pushers of abortions. They can’t come out and say it (yet), but they would surely like to cull the population using standards they devised. Most of us non-elite would not qualify to remain in their utopia.

[Free_SJersey]

I found it hard to believe that this came from Salon, so I went to the link to be sure. Lo and behold, it was there. I was shocked, I tells ya. Then for purely entertainment value, I checked out the comments. Man, the libtards were frothing at the mouth spouting the AGW buzz phrases. I won’t be surprised if the article (and possibly the author) disappear.

[marsh2]

One reason to move off a total fossil fuel based system is that we end up defending “sh*t holes” all over the world to protect the resource. That is, of course, while we set aside areas in the United States from development with similar resources or regulate them into non-viable development.

Biomass is a necessary development in the Pacific Northwest and the Sierras. We need to reduce the overburden of fuels that accumulate when we stop managing and harvesting the forests because of set asides and regulations to protect “ecosystems” and endangered salamander. If we don’t, they WILL lose their resiliency, burn down and permanently convert to brushland.

Income from the biomass industry is necessary to offset the costs of thinning as much as possible. Usually cogeneration is coupled with an existing sawmill anyway. Pellet fueled boilers are immesurably cheaper than heating oil or electricty. Also because of all the feel goody set asides, the communities in rural forested areas of the PNW have been plunged into poverty. At least biomass can provide a few family waged jobs. It also provides a reliable and independent source of energy if the powers that be don’t set aside more forests or prohibit the taking of small diameter trees.

The cost of biomass generated heat and electrictiy is comparable with natural gas - much cheaper than solar, wind, ethanol or fossil fuel. Hydropower is also a great source of energy but the lunies on the left are taking out every dam they can reach on the West coast.

[2ndDivisionVet]

What happened to switchgrass and all that?

[Nuc 1.1]

I believe you are correct. What will the libs do when they find oil is renewable? Chuckles...

[jonascord]

Abortion is eugenics with a paint job. Environmentalists want to exterminate all the unnecessary races, the ones sitting on desirable wilderness. Ever notice that all the most rabid greenies are White communists? Did you ever think that maybe the Greens would be thrilled by a pandemic in Africa that would wipe humanity out, continent wide?

Since Hitler spoiled industrial scale racial cleansing, they have to adopt a long term process.

[aruanan]

Abortion is eugenics with a paint job.

Other way around.

[jonascord]

Blasphemers! That guy Copernicus was spouting out about a heliocentric system, like this guy Lind, and Thomas Gold and his abiogenic oil.

The Greenies will have to burn them all.

[bigheadfred]

>Yogurt+microbes+temp+time+pressure=Methane

[aruanan]

The disasters at Chernobyl and Fukushima have dramatized the real but limited and localized dangers of nuclear energy. While their initial costs are high, nuclear power plants generate vast amounts of cheap electricity -- and no greenhouse gases. If runaway global warming were a clear and present danger rather than a low probability, then the problems of nuclear waste disposal and occasional local disasters would be minor compared to the benefits to the climate of switching from coal to nuclear power.

The total number of the "real but limited and localized dangers of nuclear energy" is virtually nothing compared to the widespread dangers of coal-generated electricity. If all the electricity in the United States came from nuclear power and had a meltdown once a month, it still wouldn't approach the lives lost, the radiation released uncontrolled into the environment, and other environmental degradation that comes from the use of coal. Better to save the coal for chemical feedstock and use the ever dwindling radioactive resources at our disposal (unless we invested in fast breeder reactors) for electricity.

[freedumb2003]

>>Yogurt+microbes+temp+time+pressure=Methane<<

=Sports Illustrated+the latest WSJ....

[jonascord]

I'm pretty sure I've got the order right. Eugenics is the discipline, racial purity is the goal, abortion is the method.

Note that there is a Planned Parenthood operation in every ghetto. 50% of abortions are performed on black teenagers. Maggie Sanger was a big fan of eugenic philosophies.

[crusty old prospector]

It ain’t from dinosaurs and “fossils”. It comes from organic-rich shales laid down in the deepest depths of the ocean. They are called source beds. All of these shale plays (Barnett, Fayetteville, Bakken, Woodford, Marcellus, Haynesville, Eagle Ford, Niobrara, etc) are in a sense just tapping the Mother Lode of petroleum. Because of their inherent low permeability, it wasn’t possible until the advent of horizontal wells and multi-stage fracing.

[Paladin2]

"wind ain't it."

When was wind power at its peak? 1600?

I think we are well past Peak Wind.

[Signalman]

Fossil fuel” never worked for me. Not enough dead dinos to make that much oil, no matter how many eons.

Most of the oil was not created by "dead dinos", it was formed from tiny creatures (zooplankton and algae) that lived in the ocean. We're talking about a period of 2 billion + years that this process occurred.

From Wikipedia:

Petroleum is a fossil fuel derived from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae.[19] Vast quantities of these remains settled to a sea or lake bottoms, mixing with sediments and being buried under anoxic conditions. As further layers settled to the sea or lake bed, intense heat and pressure built up in the lower regions. This process caused the organic matter to change, first into a waxy material known as kerogen, which is found in various oil shales around the world, and then with more heat into liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons via a process known as catagenesis. Formation of petroleum occurs from hydrocarbon pyrolysis in a variety of mostly endothermic reactions at high temperature and/or pressure.[20]

[bigheadfred]

>>Yogurt+microbes+temp+time+pressure+Methane+Sports Illustrated+the latest WSJ=silicone breast implants...

[aruanan]

I'm pretty sure I've got the order right. Eugenics is the discipline, racial purity is the goal, abortion is the method.

When you take something that in and of itself is bad, such as abortion, being used as a means of destroying certain races or social groups and dress it all up with rationalizations about improving the health of the entire race, then "eugenics" is abortion and genocide with a scientific paint job. The paint job is what covers up and hides something horrible with something that, the way it's pitched, doesn't sound so bad.

[BwanaNdege]

“It is entirely possible that we’ve already passed “peak electrical demand”! “

Not if governments keep pushing electric cars & airplanes.

[cookcounty]

Palin has come out in opposition to all energy subsidies.

Anybody else?