Confederate Memorial Day (Virginia)

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

We all know that today is a day to remember US troops that have fallen in battle.
In the state of Virginia today is also a day to remember our brave soldiers of the Confederacy.

The marching armies of the past
Along our Southern plains,
Are sleeping now in quiet rest
Beneath the Southern rains.

The bugle call is now in vain
To rouse them from their bed;
To arms they'll never march again--
They are sleeping with the dead.

No more will Shiloh's plains be stained
With blood our heroes shed,
Nor Chancellorsville resound again
To our noble warriors' tread.

For them no more shall reveille
Sound at the break of dawn,
But may their sleep peaceful be
Till God's great judgment morn.

We bow our heads in solemn prayer
For those who wore the gray,
And clasp again their unseen hands
On our Memorial Day.

-Author Unknown

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

It wasn’t the North vs the South

Um, yes it was. The two sections had totally different cultures. The North was fast paced and had lots of factories, while the South was slow paced and agrarian. About the only thing the two sections had in common was the English language, and even that had lots of different dialects.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

So you are saying that because the South lost, it is not worth remembering the war and the justness of her cause? Sorry bud. Time does not make a cause less just. William Wallace lost the battle of Falkirk and was later captured and killed. That did not make his cause wrong or any less worth remembering. Sure, it has been a long time, but I believe that Scotland still has the right to be free if they so choose it.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

I’m proud of my heritage and apologize for it to nobody

Same here. Nothing to apologize for. If there is anyone that should be apologising, it is the yankees, for denying the South government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

[jmacusa]

“justness of her cause’’.. Slavery is justice? WTF has Scotland to do with this discussion?

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

No. Slavery ceased in the North only when it ceased to be profitable (The slave trade still continued for a long time after, though. There were still yankee slave ships sailing in the 1850s and early 1860s, although by that time they were technically supposed to have stopped.). Once the supply of free labor was large enough to meet the demands of society, slavery was abandoned. John Adams stated that slavery was not done away with in the North for moral or ethical reason, but because Northern workers refused to compete with blacks. Adams stated that, "Argument might have some weight in the abolition of slavery in Massachusetts, but the real cause was the multiplication of laboring white people, who would no longer suffer the rich to employ these sable rivals so much to their injury. The common people would not suffer the labor, by which alone they could obtain subsistence, to be done by slaves. If the gentlemen had been permitted by law to hold slaves, the common white people would have put the slaves to death, and their masters too perhaps."

The North ending slavery not by all-at-once emancipation, but by gradual emancipation of the unborn. Thus, no masters lost any property. In fact, many took the slaves they were supposed to free and sold them elsewhere, making a profit. The North abolished slavery without losing any money. The mouth foaming abolitionists wanted the South to free all its slaves at once, not having the benefit of the gradual emancipation that the North had.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Your point? Is raping and pillaging OK by your book at some times but not at other times? Sheesh.

What if your state seceeded today over arguments about taxes, representation and etc. Would you think it OK for the federal government to send tanks into your state and carpet bomb your cities and to rape yoru women and burn your towns and steal everything of value from your home? Would that be OK?

Do you support government of the people, by the people and for the people or not? Do you support the principles in the declaration of Independence that states that governments receive their just powers only from the consent of the governed? And that people have the right to rid themselves of government that becomes destructive of a people's rights to life, liberty, happiness and etc.?

If you do not support these rights, you kinds sound like a liberal.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

*Sigh* I already went into how slavery was NOT the big cause. Saying the war was all about slavery is like saying the Revolutionary war was all about tea. Sheesh. Only 6% of the white population of the South even owned any slaves, and half of those who did owned 5 or less and usually worked in the fields right along side them.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

WTF has Scotland to do with this discussion?

It was an example. The point is that just because one side lost, does not mean that they were wrong of their cause not worth remembering. You didn't get it?

[ROCKLOBSTER]

New England was full of farms, many remain today. I seriously doubt that the Union volunteers from Maine (and there were a lot of them) were factory workers. The two sections had totally different cultures.

Yes, the Southerners didn't have to heat their homes, the NE guys had to fell trees, haul 'em out of the woods with horses, cut it up, split it and dry it for Winter, all without chainsaws or tractors. And these were farmers, the loggers is a different bunch. Both groups were very hardy stock.

When they farmed, they had to cut all the trees off the land (by hand) and haul all the rocks and boulders out of the fields. The rock walls defining property lines remain throughout the woods to this day.

The Abolitionists became the Republicans, the Klan was started by Confederate Veterans (not Republicans).

Harriet Beecher Stowe, who wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin, hailed from Brunswick Maine...she was not a democrat.

[antisocial]

BTTT

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Dr. McWhiney also wrote that the War for Southern Independence was not so much a war of brother against brother as it was a war of culture against culture.

Anthony Trollope, a British citizen who traveled extensively in the North and South during the first part of the ware observed that "The South is seceding from the North because the two are not homogeneous. They have different instincts, different appetites, different morals, and a different culture."

Trollope observed that, other than language, there was very little that the two sections held in common: "They [the South] had become a separate people, dissevered from the North by habits, morals, institutions, pursuits, and every conceivable differences in their mods of thought and action. They still spoke the same language, as so Austria and Prussia, but beyond that tie of language they had no bond but that of a meager political union..."

The influence of the various cultures that populated Colonial America has been documented by David H. Fisher in his book Albion's Seed. Fisher, and Northerner, demonstrates the four primary emigration patterns originating in the British Isles. The various cultural distinctions of these people which he documents influenced such social behaviour as dietary preferences, mode of dress, and religious attitudes. The early emigration patterns to the South came principally from North Britain (Northern England and Scotland), Northern Ireland, and the Saxon areas of South England. The New England colonies received more emigrants from the traditionally English East Anglia (Puritans), and the middle colonies received the bulk of Quakers from the North midlands of England. Thus the cultural differences between the North and South originated in the British Isles. The People who came to this continent did not forsake their ancient folkways, attitudes, and grudges, but adapted them to the new environment.

John Adams, while attending the Continental Congress, wrote home to his wife describing the stark dissimilarity between the two peoples of the Northerner and Southern Colonies. He confided to his wife that his impression that these two peoples were so different that the political union could not be held together "Without the utmost caution on both sides."

George Mason also noted that the inhabitants of the North and South were "so very different in manners, habits, and customs."

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Also, before the Nat Turner rebellion, there were nearly twice as many abolition societies in the South as in the North.

Just sayin'...

[central_va]

If the South had one their INDEPENDENCE then Northern USSA would be allowed to do whatever they want including sheep fornication. Your posts are increasing in stupidity, like you are losing knowledge.

[kalee]

ping

[central_va]

Um, so how’s life going for you in 1861 Reb? Grow up stupid. This is 2011 and you’re living in the greatest country in the world, despite Obama.

Sh1t for brains has it ever occurred to you that with out the South and the Southern conservative heritage you hate so much the USA would have already become the USSA.. Regional differences plays a HUGE role in politics then and now.

[jmacusa]

I support the principals of The Declaration of Independence, I also support The Constitution too, which is the legal basis of our form of government. You’re confusing two arguments here. I don’t want my state, with all it’s problems to seceed over anything. That what elections are for. But if you want better government by marching on Washington ? I’ll march with you . Only under The Stars and Stripes, not The Stars and Bars. ‘’ Liberal’? You got it right by half. I USED to be one. I know how they think. Let you in a a secret. Ann Coulter is right. They really do hate America.

[jmacusa]

Conservative heritage’’. Who was conservative, Ross Barnett? Lester Maddox?

[central_va]

Worth repeating:

If there is anyone that should be apologising, it is the yankees, for denying the South government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

[jmacusa]

Ok Reb, keep a fightin’ the war. Never going to donate to The Civil War Trust are you ? you cheapskate.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

I support the principals of The Declaration of Independence,

Then you support the right of a people to rid themselves of government that does not secure or respect their rights to life, liberty, happiness, and etc? Hmmm?

marching on Washington

Look. I'm not sure if you have noticed, but often times marching on Washington does nothing, or very little. Somtimes you need more than just marches. The colonists seemed to think so.... ;-)

Only under The Stars and Stripes, not The Stars and Bars.

Yeah, throwing off government that is NOT of the people, by the people, and for the people is BAD. The South should not have done it, the colonists should not have done it. We should still be under the old British flag, because breaking from such governments is bad because,.....well.....it just is!