Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?

one man's opinion...

[Godzilla]

So if I am told not to fight back but just lie down and take it in a discussion about a massacre of Mormons, what, I'm never to mention it again?

When did we start the massacre of mormons here in FR Grey? Darn, first miss the burnings at the stake we are alleged to be conducting and now the massacres.

[greyfoxx39]

So if I am told not to fight back but just lie down and take it in a discussion about a massacre of Mormons, what, I'm never to mention it again?

Oh, clever DU...your post directly associated the FR Flying Inmans with a massacre. Quote: I have been told the Mormons who were being Massacred by the precursors to FR's anti Mormons should have just not fought back so there would be no Mormons today...
Your post 480

Just too clever by half, and now you have to add to it by slamming FR.... Fine, the truth has no place on FR, you know what to do.

weren't you just warned by JR? See post #671

[Godzilla]

As for delusions of godhood, I don't have any.

Oh right - that 'humbleness' requirement for godhood as well.

Humor Break!

[greyfoxx39]

Gee, DU...your links are all from mormon media sources...whodathunk?

[greyfoxx39]

“Choose the Romney...choose the Republican...choose the right”....I choose the barf bag.

[Utah Binger]

Now I know why I left Mormonism LOL Ping.

Sanctimonious Bastards Ping

Phony Persecution Complex Ping

Naive Arrogance Ping

Lurker Binger (today) Ping

Oh and Elsie, I see where you are now seeking special feminism treatment as you have been tricking all the morgbots into believing that you are in real life the Relief Society President. Congrats dear sister.

[Osage Orange]

Like it or not, our Constitution protects their right to believe as they wish, and to express that belief publicly.

And you don't think that applies to me, or others who think mormonism is a cult?

Why shouldn't a man's religion matter? If Romney was a voodoo priest, would that be off limits too?

[Colofornian]

I'm not anti-religious, as you seem to think I might be. My faith is very important to me, as is involvement in my parish.

Well, I don't know if I've conveyed as much that you might be "anti-religious" as much as an equal concern I have -- that religion ought to be bottled up/ contained.

For example, the apostle Paul told the Thessalonian "parish" to pray without ceasing. Now if you're of a given mindset that prayer has a proper boundary...and should be done at church or home only...then how would the Thessalonians fulfill that request?

If some people see "church" as only or primarily an "institution" vs. how the New Testament describes "church"-- as "people" -- that, too can be problematic.
(Greek word ecclesia for "church" = "called-out ONES"...flesh and blood; not brick, mortar & hierarchy).

The church is the true body of Christ -- both gathered and scattered.

I emphasize all of this because so many want to draw a line in the sand of "this is where my religion starts & stops." And I'm afraid it was never meant to be something you check at certain doors. The word "religion" is only mentioned in the Bible once (for good reason).

And where this intersects with Mormonism is that Ezra Taft Benson, in his 14 Lds fundamentals of what it meant to be a profit," says the "prophet" has authority no matter what the issue is -- religious or not.

Anyway, you've seen by now I'm just a tad leary about those who try to engineer "religious" boundaries as if they had the authority or perfect knowledge of where those boundaries should fall and shift.

I appreciate your openness on this.

[Utah Binger]

LOL, You are in after the zot on that fine individual.

[Osage Orange]

Dang...I'm late to many parties.

Work and play get in the way of posting here.....!! Ha!!

Thanks!!

[Colofornian]

The exception in my mind is those whose religious views are more important to them than the purpose of this site... I am a Mormon. I support my faith. I have always held my principles here and I am not going to change them even if it gets me banned.

Note to all: DU's religious "principles" are of such import that he says, if his presentation of such "principles" gets him "banned," so be it.

Yet if other posters present their religious "principles" in matters & manners that don't even skirt up against zot boundaries,
...those religious viewpoints...
...per DU...
...constitute "religious views...
more important to them than the purpose of this site..."
...and accordingly, per, DU, should be censored.

Now is that "censored" Nauvoo Expositor-style, DU? Or what do you mean exactly? How are we to be censored? Does the "spirit of Nauvoo" still fly in your blood?

I always thought, DU, that POTUS candidates were supposed to open to the spirit of free inquery about their life. Yet, we don't see Mitt being all that open any more about his Mormonism.

Don't we potential voters have a right to know if he deems us to be but mere "apostates" like your Mormon leaders claim us to be? I know if a Muslim was running, I'd want to know if he held to Islamic doctrine that I, a Christian, am an "infidel." Same question applies here. Why is that considered so off the wall as irrelevant to the political process?

[SZonian]

I want to know where his allegiances lie.

Any temple attending mormon knows that they take oaths that place their church over all else. Will a mormon place his temple oath over and above his oath of office?

It’s a fair topic to discuss with regards to mormon politicians.

If it is agreed that moslems are subject to the same, then mormons aren’t exempt.

[greyfoxx39]

I always thought, DU, that POTUS candidates were supposed to open to the spirit of free inquery about their life. Yet, we don't see Mitt being all that open any more about his Mormonism.

That's nuthin'

Huntsman, asked if he is mormon said, "It depends on what the meaning of "IS" is!

Link

[Godzilla]

Now is that "censored" Nauvoo Expositor-style, DU? Or what do you mean exactly? How are we to be censored? Does the "spirit of Nauvoo" still fly in your blood?

He missed the ticket when the 'danites' tried to hose the pigs a few years ago (at least that is his story) here on FR.

Most of those would do what ever it took to have a thread shut down went it went against them - more Nauvoo Expositor censorship.

But thats OK with du.

[Godzilla]

Huntsman, asked if he is mormon said, "It depends on what the meaning of "IS" is!

Huh, what? Bill Clinton became a mormon???? Oh, just one of his political acolytes.

[greyfoxx39]

Huntsman was a good student of Clinton’s.

[Colofornian]

Sorry, "The Christian Church" sounds so generic to me as being a conglomeration of all churches claiming to be Christian

Well, generic "Christian Church" is a big improvement over what your leaders have specifically called us ever since the Book of Mormon claimed we fell under the umbrella of Satan's church (1 Nephi 14).

For those with inquiring minds, here's what Mitt's, Jon Huntsman's, and DU's leaders have taught them through the years:

Joseph Smith himself:

Joseph Smith, Jr.: “…all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60).

Late 19th century:
George Q. Cannon, member of First Presidency with four different Lds "prophets": "AFTER the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, pg.324).

Please also note the juxtaposition of the "church of the Lamb" to the ONLY OTHER church umbrella on earth: "the church of Satan" in the Book of Mormon (1 Nephi 14:10). This passage states only TWO churches exist -- one or the other.

45 years ago:

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: McConkie says all non-Mormon churches are "...the great apostate church" [that's us -- the Christian church] "as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." ("Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "What is the church of the devil in our day, and what is the seat of her power?…It is all the systems, BOTH Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel….It is communism, it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in ALL its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini" (Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55).

Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is the world; it is all the carnality and evil to which fallen man is heir; it is every unholy and wicked practice; it is every false religion, every supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world. It is EVERY CHURCH except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)

Note, per Mormon doctrine, the "only true and living church on the face of the earth" is the Mormon church (D&C 1:30).

BTW, the Doctrinal New Testament Commentary was cited by the official Mormon church as a commentary to 1 Nephi 14:10:
* The church of JC LDS: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14 : Notes and Commentary
* It was also cited among study guides commonly used in the Mormon church as published by Cedar Fort out of Springville, Utah...in these two 2007 books:
* Randal S. Chase, Making Precious Things Plain: A Book of Mormon Study Guide: Volume 1: 1 Nephi-Alma 16 Cedar Fort, Springville, UT, 2007 p. 40
* K. Douglas Bassett, PhD, Doctrinal Insights to the Book of Mormon: Vol. 1: 1 Nephi through 2 Nephi Cedar Fort, Springville, UT 2007, pp. 62-63

27 years ago -- Official Lds church magazine, Ensign:
The “man of sin,” generally equated with Satan, would exalt himself over all that is divine and assume the place of God in the Church. Of historical and theological significance is the fact that in Paul’s prophecy the church structure survives. But God is not at its head, making that church—following the appearance in it of Satan—no longer the church of God....How appropriate, therefore, is Paul’s description of him sitting in the place of God in the church of the apostasía. Kent P. Jackson, Signs of the Early Apostasy, Ensign, December 1984 Signs of the Early Apostasy

This BYU professor is commenting on 2 Thess. 2:1-12 here...which Christian commentators reference as future. Lds leaders constantly reference 2 Thess. 2:1-12 as past tense -- evidence of the great apostasy...Jackson calls it a "drastic" apostasy. Lds doctrine is that it was total or all but a handful...and those handful were never "public."

ALL: Just imagine Romney winning the nomination; and then the Democrats plastering these teachings all across the country and world for all to see...along with all the racist teachings of the Mormon church...and bizarre teachings like becoming gods.

Believe me, if we were only out for our religious views as DU contends, we would actually welcome Romney winning the GOP nomination only to lose so that the MSM could do our work for us in 2012 in exposing Mormonism for what it was.

But what an overwhelming cost to our country and to the GOP long-term for that to happen.

We all need to link together and defeat Romney now so that the GOP doesn't become the new sacrificial lamb. I mean why should it? (Jesus the Lamb of God already died once and for all for us!)

[Tennessee Nana]

Thats not what I said

But if you want to know about God

READ THE BIBLE

[Osage Orange]

Ah...the bigot line.

Classy.......

Reminds me of current defenders of some politicians.....

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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