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To: PA Engineer
You made the claim:

"I follow the COLB fraud threads. You have been shot down on every one of them. You do not offer facts, but claims and testaments."

I challenged you to factually refute the claims I made earlier in this thread. You declined to do so.

The third of the four claims I made that I identified as easily testable has to do with Denninger's claim that kerning is present in the Obama document, and that this proves forgery.

Denninger states that two letters intruding upon each other's space in an indication of "kerning," and that this PROVES the document is forged, as such technology was not available in 1961.

He gives as his example the letters "a" and "p" in "Kapiolani," pointing out that they intrude upon each other's space.

I stated that Denninger was incorrect, and that this is evident in Edith Pauline Coats' birth certificate, which is a "known good" certificate from this era.

Below is the visual proof of my statement.

For the things we can clearly examine, that makes it: Douglas Vogt 0, PA Engineer 0, Jeff Winston 3.

I would appreciate an apology for your false personal attack.

161 posted on 05/20/2011 12:48:21 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
Jeff Winston mentions: "... Denninger's claim that kerning is present ..."

I was somewhat skeptical of this claim but haven't yet investigated it.

Your approach of showing that "kerning" (or just letter crowding )seems to appear in other known valid documents of the era is one way to proceed.

Another way is to characterize fully the relative positions of all the typed letters on the document. Although the character pair "ap" appears to be kerning, I think I noticed that the lower case "a" seemed to strike closer to the letter following it than the letter preceding it. Perhaps the "p" tends to strike slightly to the left of where intended. The bars on which the letters of a manual typewriter were located were notorious for getting jammed and becoming slightly bent.

An analysis of each letter's apparent spacing relative to each of the other letters might permit one to correct for that letter striking consistently to the left or the right. Once such a correction is made, then one might reasonably assess whether kerning is taking place.

166 posted on 05/20/2011 1:07:10 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Jeff Winston; PA Engineer
I stated that Denninger was incorrect, and that this is evident in Edith Pauline Coats' birth certificate, which is a "known good" certificate from this era.

Having done a lot of kerning in the past, It is my opinion that the "ap" pair example given by Denninger is an excellent example of what looks like computerized auto-kerning. They are a normally kerned pair. However, usually, a fixed width typeface like the one being used in this case would not be set to auto-kern as the point of its use would be to have it look like typewriter monospacing. I have not examined the document in detail for more examples of auto-kerning, but it's possible they are there. It's also possible it's just an example of a slipping strike bar of a worn typewriter.

The three you point out in the Coats BC are not. the closest to kerning in the Coats BC would be the "Ma" pair... But neither of these letters would be candidates for what I see as kerning. What I see in the Coats document is normal wear slippage of an old typewriter. The "ld" pair is not even that... It is merely blurring artifacting, and the "us" pairing is just a slight mis strike of the "s" which is shown by the larger kern gap between the "st" pair.

173 posted on 05/20/2011 1:55:15 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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