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To: Moonman62
Apparently, the recent ruling in Indiana brings them in line with the majority of other states. Where’s all the examples from those other states? Why are people getting all hot bothered by it now?

First, how about some cites to the "majority" of other states.

Second, if the majority of other states said it was ok for the State to randomly stop vehicles and search them would you support that as well?

How about randomly accessing your computer to see what websites you are visiting?

Randomly accessing your bank accounts?

Randomly accessing your phone records?

Randomly accessing your medical records?

And when the courts start citing a "majority of other countries" as a basis for eviscerating the Bill of Rights where will you come down?

248 posted on 05/18/2011 5:43:17 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy; Moonman62

But, of course, you realize this case doesn’t authorize random searches. You’re just using those examples as red herrings, right?


251 posted on 05/18/2011 6:26:43 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Abundy
That's got nothing to do with the case at hand. ALL of those things you cite are illegal.

If the cops randomly bust into your house and find you weighing out 100's of 1/4 LB baggies of meth they'll arrest you. Then they haul you downtown and book you. Then they take you behind the woodshed and work you over with coins in a sock, strap you into a chair, klieg lights shining into your eyes and force you to listen to hours of Helen Redy The Las Vegas Years. You crack, sign a confession you killed Kennedy, and implicate the WH in your meth ring.

Then they haul you in front of a judge with a fat lip, broken teeth, black eye, and oozing head lac and read the charges. The judge asks "What happen to him?" They say you fell. He asks "How do you plea." Your deaf with Helen Redy ringing in your ears. The judge enters a plea of "Didn't do it, your honor." and sets a date for preliminary hearing.

The prosecutor chimes in that you're a flight risk and menace to society and recommend $trillion for bail (cash). Judge says $billion (10% surety).

Judge asks who your equire will be. You state you don't have one on account of being indignant. Judge says you get one pro bono. Judge looks around the courtroom and says, "you there, step up here. You're now this man's counsel." The guy happens to be prosecutor's brother and big-wig at some $million/hour law firm.

At that point your attorney now asks some questions and then says, "Judge, my man wasn't Mirandized. The state had no probable cause to invade his domicile. My man was illegally arrested. My man was tortured and subject to cruel and inhumane punishement to illicite a confession." Then he says some arcane latin legal mumbo jumbo.

The judge dismisses the case. Furthermore, any evidence uncovered during the investigation is ruled to be fruit from a poison tree. And Obama get off scotch free.

On the other hand, if you put up a fight when the cops bust in, they got all kinds of resisting, obstruction of justice, assault on LEO, grievous bodly injury, etc. And you end up going away for 15 years.

On the first situation you have the option to sue for damages on account they seize your 1/2 ton of meth (plus lack of consortium and inability to ply your trade). You walk away with a cool $10 million dollar judgement.

All the case decided in Indiana was that two wrongs don't make a right. Three lefts do though, just FWIW. Everything else is a bunch of non-sequitor.

277 posted on 05/18/2011 9:56:50 AM PDT by raygun
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