[AndrewC]

This has nothing to do with the meaning of the Greek words used in John 3:3 and 3:7

I did not attempt to connect the meanings of the individual words. I was demonstrating that kosta was calling the writer of John 3:16 a liar since his conclusion was that John made up at least verses 3 an 4.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Which would make John what?

[Cronos]

ok. But it is pretty clear that the meaning of John 3:3 is “born from above” not “born again”