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Kosta, I don't believe Agamemnon is a Democrat Troll. I have dealt with him in the past and I think he is a very sincere and honest (to his delusions) Born Againer. He even sounds like preachers that I have ran into in RL, scary, to say the least.

What you are witnessing first hand is the result of misplaced priorities. Born Againers place their own personal beliefs above all else. Their theology even holds them blameless, they can commit no sin because they are Saved by the Blood of Christ. This relieves them of the burden of critical thought or reasoning. Every hateful thought and action is instantly absolved and made pure by the Blood of Christ.

This is why you won't see any condemnation of a Born Againer by another Born Againer. They know that the Born Againers motives and heart are pure and that is what counts. The Muslims have an almost identical theology in that respect. The same goes for the AGW'ers, etc. etc.

Atheist: n; A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others.

As Cronos reminded me earlier there are liberal trolls like Hankerchief who intentionally flame the hatred, but I think on the whole it is a self inflicted wound on the conservative movement. For example earlier betty boop called me treasonous because I am an Atheist. And betty boop isn't a liberal plant, but that makes my point.

What we are doing is very painful to the Born Againers. Telling and explaining the truth to them is like taking a vampire out into the sun and expecting them to thank you for it.

Each of our posts is as offensive to them as Agememnons is to us. We are lucky that they aren't as secure in their delusion as Muslims or we would be hunted men by now. Thankfully our founding fathers understood this predilection of the People of the Book and did what they could to keep them out of power.

Is what we are doing pointless? I don't know. I fight on because it is my nature to try to learn and speak the truth. I think the biggest benefit to me personally is that The Born Againers are terrific contra indicators. Almost everything they believe is wrong and simply disagreeing with them makes me right, I never would have believed it if I hadn't tried it. That principle doesn't just work with Born Againers, it works with any mass movement with devoted followers. Self delusion must be some kind of survival mechanism in the Human race.

As a "born-againer" let me just say you guys talking the stuff you do is not painful to me like you seem to think. The only pain I feel is in seeing your "end" if you don't change your minds (repent). It grieves me like it does our Savior that any should perish. The self delusion is yours because you refuse to accept that you are not the measure of truth and that it does not depend upon your acceptance of it to BE true. It just IS. It was true before you existed and will continue to be true long after your bodies return to the dust from which they came.

There are no feelings of superiority so let that delusion go. I feel total gratitude and love for the mercy and grace of God who reached down and touched my life. I will forever praise him who looked beyond my faults and saw my need. I am a sinner saved by his grace through faith and not because I deserved it or merited it in any way. It sounds like you are familiar with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Don't let stubborn human pride prevent you from accepting the gift of eternal life.