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To: LeGrande; James C. Bennett; kosta50; betty boop
As a "born-againer" let me just say you guys talking the stuff you do is not painful to me like you seem to think. The only pain I feel is in seeing your "end" if you don't change your minds (repent). It grieves me like it does our Savior that any should perish. The self delusion is yours because you refuse to accept that you are not the measure of truth and that it does not depend upon your acceptance of it to BE true. It just IS. It was true before you existed and will continue to be true long after your bodies return to the dust from which they came.

There are no feelings of superiority so let that delusion go. I feel total gratitude and love for the mercy and grace of God who reached down and touched my life. I will forever praise him who looked beyond my faults and saw my need. I am a sinner saved by his grace through faith and not because I deserved it or merited it in any way. It sounds like you are familiar with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Don't let stubborn human pride prevent you from accepting the gift of eternal life.

3,094 posted on 06/12/2011 10:28:37 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50; LeGrande
As a "born-againer" let me just say you guys talking the stuff you do is not painful to me like you seem to think. The only pain I feel is in seeing your "end" if you don't change your minds (repent). It grieves me like it does our Savior that any should perish. The self delusion is yours because you refuse to accept that you are not the measure of truth and that it does not depend upon your acceptance of it to BE true. It just IS. It was true before you existed and will continue to be true long after your bodies return to the dust from which they came.

Basically, you're saying that your faith is based on fear... on blackmail. To look at it the other way, the only life you have, the only temporary passage of moments in which the elements that you comprise of, is somewhat self-aware, is wasted in delusion and superstition, ignoring this only precious time you have, in the futile expectation of a "better" one. That's not what some people are willing to waste their only lives for.

Besides, what is the reason for this deity to exact coerced "faith" in this "period of existence"? Since the "soul" is always sentient, why should "faith" be extracted through fear only when one is alive? This does not seem reasonable, in the least.

3,103 posted on 06/13/2011 1:52:53 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: boatbums
Thank you so much for your beautiful testimony and outreach, dear sister in Christ!
3,225 posted on 06/13/2011 9:59:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: boatbums; LeGrande; Alamo-Girl; kosta50; Godzilla; metmom; Matchett-PI; xzins; caww; ...
The self delusion is yours because you refuse to accept that you are not the measure of truth and that it does not depend upon your acceptance of it to BE true. It just IS. It was true before you existed and will continue to be true long after your bodies return to the dust from which they came.

Very well said, dear sister in Christ! I so agree.

3,277 posted on 06/14/2011 10:36:00 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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