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To: betty boop; metmom; xzins; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; caww; boatbums; getoffmylawn
Well jeepers, kosta — He doesn't need my permission to do that

Precisely. In the end you believe, I think, that it will be his will no matter what you or I think. So, don't preoccupy yourself much with his business.

Well that's funny; I can say without doubt: God exists. But this is not to make me "all-knowing," just discerning.

I am sorry, that's no different than someone saying "without a doubt Zeus exists."

After all, the evidence is there for those willing to look. Then prove that God exists.

3,009 posted on 06/12/2011 2:17:19 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: kosta50; betty boop; xzins; Matchett-PI; Godzilla; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; caww; boatbums; ...
Then prove that God exists.

All one needs is one bit of evidence to prove something exists, whereas, you need to knew everything, everywhere, for all time and eternity, IWO to be God, to prove that He doesn't exist.

BB is right. Open your eyes. If the complexity of what you see staring back at you from the mirror every morning, doesn't convince you that God exists, nothing will.

Plugging your ears and closing your eyes and singing *La, la,la,la,la,la,laaaaaaaaaaaaa....... I can't hear you.......* doesn't cut it.

So many people ask how there can be a God when there's so much evil in the world, as if evil disproves the existence of God. Considering the prevalence of evil and the depths of depravity men so easily slide into when left in a no God society, the real question is where good them comes from.

People left to their own devices to not tend towards good.

3,011 posted on 06/12/2011 2:41:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; xzins; Matchett-PI; Godzilla; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; caww; boatbums; ...
Precisely. In the end you believe, I think, that it will be his will no matter what you or I think. So, don't preoccupy yourself much with his business.

Get behind us Satan.

Of course God wants us to be involved with His business. That's what He gave us Scripture for. That's why He sent the Holy Spirit to empower us for. That's why He chose to use man as the primary medium for spreading the Gospel to the world so that all men might be saved.

Just what business do you think that God has that we shouldn't preoccupy ourselves with anyway?

It's all about the redemption of mankind, using men as the means.

No wonder you reject what you think religion is. It is so screwed up as to be meaningless gibberish. I'd reject what you believe as true also.

So get over it and let it go and find the real God instead of hanging onto your delusions and nursing your grievances against God.

Honestly, all you atheists remind me of characters out of CS Lewis's "The Great Divorce*. You're like the dwarves in *The Last Battle*, so afraid of being taken in that they can't be taken out of the prison of their own making that is all of their minds. Nobody is going to fool them again. The dwarves are for the dwarves and bah humbug on anyone who tries to tell them differently.

3,016 posted on 06/12/2011 2:50:47 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; xzins; Matchett-PI; Godzilla; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; caww; boatbums; ...
Then prove that God exists.

And just what would you do then?

3,017 posted on 06/12/2011 2:52:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Matchett-PI; Godzilla; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; caww; boatbums
I am sorry, that's no different than someone saying "without a doubt Zeus exists."

I don't think may people say that nowadays. And back in the day when such things were said, no one knew Christ, or of Him.

Again, I will not, because I cannot, "prove that God exists." To subject Him to a "proof" is to misunderstand Who He Is a priori. Such a proof would then be worthless.

3,022 posted on 06/12/2011 3:16:27 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; xzins; Matchett-PI; Godzilla; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; caww; boatbums; ...
I wrote: After all, the evidence is there for those willing to look.

And you replied: Then prove that God exists. [a non-sequitur, BTW dear kosta — another typical, willful misdirection of the kind we have come to expect from you]

I can't do your "seeing" for you, kosta. Why not try your own eyes?

I've already told you — repeatedly — that God is not subject to proof, and why that is.

That does not mean that He is totally "undiscoverable." Totally obscure, totally remote from Man.

It just means that Man has to do a little work from his side. Which means, practically speaking: Man has to open his eyes and see what is there for himself.

God has left His fingerprints all over everything that exists, including you and me. Only a willfully blind man cannot see the evidence that presents to the eyes of an honest, eyes-open man who is paying attention to what actually is, in the real world.

And not getting sucked into futile second realities instead, the realization of which ultimately depends on the denial and defacement of, not only God, but also of Man — and making the denial/defacement "culturally acceptable" to the mass....

And you deny that atheism is a "national security problem?"

What you and your flying monkeys are doing here is nothing less than trying to undermine and ultimately divide the cultural consensus that has supported and sustained American society for over two hundred years now.

Do you really think that a culturally divided nation is in the best possible form to take on the ominous threats that currently face it, and to defeat them?

Or might it be the case that, deep-down, you despise this culture, this people, this country? In addition to your evident contempt for God and Man?

God knows, but maybe you even despise yourself.

But hey, I'n not your shrink.

Good luck!

3,490 posted on 06/17/2011 3:20:36 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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