Pssssssst James - if God created time, then God is powerful enough to control it to his ends.
Pssssst Godzilla, if this deity "created time", then how did it pick a moment to "create time"? With an "earlier" time?
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Truly you have no clue as to what it means for God to be all powerful and knowing - attributes you fail to include in your little thought experiment. You assume God is subject to time.
God being all-powerful doesn't allow God to peform an absurdity, Godzilla. You should know that. Truly you have no clue in understanding that even God has limitations.
Let me share a comment from another thread, to illustrate my point:
To: Tennessee NanaNOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE for God Luke 1:37NOT TRUE. G-d can not lie. G-d can not decieve. G-d can not break His own Torah. G-d can not be immoral.
All of which christianity teaches if you accept A) human sacrifice B) human vicarious atonement C) Replacement of the Law D) etc...
160 posted on Thu Jun 09 2011 18:31:12 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
I state that it is the biblical understanding that time is subject to God. Thus there is no paradox involving the creation and eventual replacement of the universe.
Ignoring the inevitability of the absurdity doesn't allow the absurdity to go away, Godzilla.
I repeat, specifically.
Psssssst james, this God exists in a multi-dimensional realm. We can only reference it as the 'beginning' - God's reference system is not necessarily the same as ours.
God being all-powerful doesn't allow God to peform an absurdity, Godzilla. You should know that. Truly you have no clue in understanding that even God has limitations.
And how do you know this james? You bleat here is profoundly absurd since for it to be true, you - james - must possess all knowledge. Refusal to accept that God, as God, can both be outside of time as well as interact within time that he created is not a justification of your claim. Secondly, since you don't BELIEVE in God, what you say has no weight - how can a non-existent God have limitations james? You claim knowledge in what you don't know and BELIEVE not to exist.
Let me share a comment from another thread, to illustrate my point:
The strawman you are building is commonly associated with the term omnipotence paradox james. Now that argument is on another thread to be discussed there and there are answers to blsaters assertions that do not support your assertions here. Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything conceivable, but the ability to do anything consistent with His nature and consistent with His desire within the realm of His unlimited and universal power which we do not possess.
If God is not subject to time, then God cannot separate God's sequential acts. Is this too hard to understand, Godzilla?
Oh really - once again unsubstantiated assertions james. All God has to do is act and time is generated as a consequence. God could both create time and exist at time. As the then creator of time, he has control over it - as the higher law involved. Further, you - without evidence positive or negative - cannot say definitively that timelessness of God is an essential, rather than contingent, property of God - His timelessness and/or temporal is a factor of his will james. Its up to him.
Without time separating God's sequential acts, Godzilla, God ends up creating and destroying the Universe, simultaneously. Do you understand this, Godzilla? If you don't, specifically point out the fallacy in this argument.
I believe I have specifically pointed out the fallacy now at least twice. First is that your definition of the properties of God is incorrectly constrained. Second, your very limited definition ignores the power of God to enter and exit time at will and control it at will. It is your BELIEF to the contrary on these points james - unsubstantiated and understating the nature of God to construct a flimsy strawman of an argument.