Psssssst james, this God exists in a multi-dimensional realm. We can only reference it as the 'beginning' - God's reference system is not necessarily the same as ours.
God being all-powerful doesn't allow God to peform an absurdity, Godzilla. You should know that. Truly you have no clue in understanding that even God has limitations.
And how do you know this james? You bleat here is profoundly absurd since for it to be true, you - james - must possess all knowledge. Refusal to accept that God, as God, can both be outside of time as well as interact within time that he created is not a justification of your claim. Secondly, since you don't BELIEVE in God, what you say has no weight - how can a non-existent God have limitations james? You claim knowledge in what you don't know and BELIEVE not to exist.
Let me share a comment from another thread, to illustrate my point:
The strawman you are building is commonly associated with the term omnipotence paradox james. Now that argument is on another thread to be discussed there and there are answers to blsaters assertions that do not support your assertions here. Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything conceivable, but the ability to do anything consistent with His nature and consistent with His desire within the realm of His unlimited and universal power which we do not possess.
If God is not subject to time, then God cannot separate God's sequential acts. Is this too hard to understand, Godzilla?
Oh really - once again unsubstantiated assertions james. All God has to do is act and time is generated as a consequence. God could both create time and exist at time. As the then creator of time, he has control over it - as the higher law involved. Further, you - without evidence positive or negative - cannot say definitively that timelessness of God is an essential, rather than contingent, property of God - His timelessness and/or temporal is a factor of his will james. Its up to him.
Without time separating God's sequential acts, Godzilla, God ends up creating and destroying the Universe, simultaneously. Do you understand this, Godzilla? If you don't, specifically point out the fallacy in this argument.
I believe I have specifically pointed out the fallacy now at least twice. First is that your definition of the properties of God is incorrectly constrained. Second, your very limited definition ignores the power of God to enter and exit time at will and control it at will. It is your BELIEF to the contrary on these points james - unsubstantiated and understating the nature of God to construct a flimsy strawman of an argument.
Psssssst James, this God exists in a multi-dimensional realm. We can only reference it as the 'beginning' - God's reference system is not necessarily the same as ours.
Time is but one dimension, Godzilla. We exist in four dimensions - a multidimensional realm, too. I strongly suspect you really know what you're talking about, here.
Whether you choose to obfuscate more is immaterial to the question posed: How does your deity pick the initiation of a sequential order, without time to refer to? Time-inside-time? LOL!
And how do you know this James? You bleat here is profoundly absurd since for it to be true, you - James - must possess all knowledge. Refusal to accept that God, as God, can both be outside of time as well as interact within time that he created is not a justification of your claim. Secondly, since you don't BELIEVE in God, what you say has no weight - how can a non-existent God have limitations James? You claim knowledge in what you don't know and BELIEVE not to exist. My Lord, man you really should learn to read, and better yet, comprehend. This is what I said: God being all-powerful doesn't allow God to peform an absurdity, Godzilla. You should know that. Truly you have no clue in understanding that even God has limitations. You ask how I know this. Are you serious? Can your deity perform an absurdity? An absurdity would be similar to this deity being asked to build a rock so heavy, even the deity wouldn't be able to carry it. A true god cannot perform an absurdity, because the absurdity would contradict the nature of the definitional qualities of the god. NOT TRUE. G-d can not lie. G-d can not decieve. G-d can not break His own Torah. G-d can not be immoral. All of which christianity teaches if you accept A) human sacrifice B) human vicarious atonement C) Replacement of the Law D) etc... Since you obviously have a reading comprehension issue, I will have to directly ask you what Blasater1960 is explaining to Tennessee Nana, in your own words. Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything conceivable, but the ability to do anything consistent with His nature and consistent with His desire within the realm of His unlimited and universal power which we do not possess. Yet, the power has limitations. See Blasater1960's reply. Likewise, I argued that God cannot order events that occur in sequence, without being under the realm of time because being outside time will destroy the sequence. Do you not understand this basic fact? Without time sandwiched between each of God's events, there is no way to separate them. Understand this well. This is a limitation that cannot be overcome without producing a self-contradiction - of God not being outside time. How does God begin to "act" without a time-frame to refer to? Every beginning needs a time reference. Without reference, it is impossible to begin something. Outside time, it is impossible to initiate anything because everything happens simultaneously, in that hypothetical realm. Ha ha, no. See above. Try again.
I posted a comment from another thread which illustrates beautifully the limitations of God:
To: Tennessee Nana
I believe I have specifically pointed out the fallacy now at least twice.