[metmom]

Christianity teaches that God predestined those who will be elect (saved) before the foundation of the world. Nothing you do, say, believe or think can change that. Or does God change his mind?

And you have been around on the RF to know that that blanket statement is a total fallacy.

According to you, then, Catholicism then teaches that men are predestined to be saved, just like Calvinism does. Or are you saying that Catholicism, which teaches free will, isn't Christianity.

[presently no screen name]

Looks like Kosta is looking for loopholes - since his application for fire insurance+rider was rejected! LOL!!

[aruanan]

Christianity teaches that God predestined those who will be elect (saved) before the foundation of the world. Nothing you do, say, believe or think can change that. Or does God change his mind?

Again, we have a situation that can be interpreted two ways: 1. It's a post by someone who is almost completely oblivious of the history of Christian theology, or 2. It's a post by someone who knows the history of Christian theology but chooses to mischaracterize it for polemical purposes. The responses are, therefore, if 1., to try to educate him; however, this is apparently not possible, given his seemingly inevitable bent to a radical sort of skepticism, or 2., to ignore him. The latter, though, isn't satisfactory because, while there is still sufficient activity, both cognitive and conative, to come up with an argument against practically anything, there is still some sort of hope.

[Vendome]

Kosta:
So I have been watching this thread with you and the other psuedo intellectuals.

You are atheists, fine, I get it.

You require empirical and unimpeachable proof of God’s existence.

Even if you were to accept there is a God that would make your problem worse, as you would then be faced with the choice of which God to believe in.

Still, several of you make absurd statements and I just decided to join in until everyone gets bored, as we eventually will.

So where do you find Preordaination or Predestination of salvation?

Make it clear because the follow up is going to be good.

Then again you are probably use to this but let’s play along.

It’s been amusing thus far.

[kosta50]

According to you, then, Catholicism then teaches that men are predestined to be saved, just like Calvinism does

Yes, Catholicism does teach predestination. However, it treats it as God's foreknowledge that such and such will live the life in the Church (i.e. confess, be absolved, receive communion) and thus will be saved. Calvinism rejects any of these "works" as salvific and maintains that one is saved only through faith in Jesus.

Either way, the elect are already known to God and that cannot change.