[xzins]

understand metaphysics...donkeys..snakes...humans...fishes...

I think what is being said is "If you believe in God, then all of these things are possible."

MaPI or BB quoted, "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." and it dawned on me that there's no necessity for either of you to believe in the rights of humans.

For example, can you prove a right to life without reference to God? I'd be interested in hearing it.

[James C. Bennett]

Yes, the Golden Rule:

Do not do unto others what you don't want done unto you.

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"What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others."

Zi gong (a disciple of Confucius) asked:

"Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?"

The Master replied:

"How about 'shu' [reciprocity]: never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself?"

Analects XV.24, tr. David Hinton

[James C. Bennett]

Now let me ask you a question in return:

Since belief in your deity’s dogma allows for the forgiving of sins, however grave they may be, what is to stop you from committing the worst of atrocities, and then begging forgiveness after the fact? To know you will be forgiven, allows you to do whatever you want, and then beg forgiveness.

Also, how is the purpose of justice served when an unbeliever is murdered by a believer who later seeks forgiveness?

[betty boop]

For example, can you prove a right to life without reference to God? I'd be interested in hearing it.

So would I, dear Padre! So would I!

C'mon, pipe up, kosta, JCB! Inform us.