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To: xzins; kosta50

Now let me ask you a question in return:

Since belief in your deity’s dogma allows for the forgiving of sins, however grave they may be, what is to stop you from committing the worst of atrocities, and then begging forgiveness after the fact? To know you will be forgiven, allows you to do whatever you want, and then beg forgiveness.

Also, how is the purpose of justice served when an unbeliever is murdered by a believer who later seeks forgiveness?


2,274 posted on 06/08/2011 4:18:18 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
what is to stop you from committing the worst of atrocities, and then begging forgiveness after the fact?

Love of and for Him. Something like when you get married...you want to remain faithful to your beloved. You wouldn't want to disappoint or hurt them...because you love them so.

The Bible has a long discription of Love that pretty much says it all. You might want to look it up though I tend to think you have. But a refresher would be worth the read.

( Ist Corinthians chapter 13 beginning with verse 4) Just so you don't have to locate it.

2,276 posted on 06/08/2011 4:41:09 PM PDT by caww
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To: James C. Bennett; betty boop; Matchett-PI; Alamo-Girl

Reciprocity does not prove the rights of humans.

I require a logical, irrefutable argument that Person A is wrong for depriving Person B of life or liberty.

To answer your questions. These are the questions as I understand them.

“what is to stop you from committing the worst of atrocities, and then begging forgiveness after the fact?”

Answer: the repentance must be real or the forgiveness doesn’t apply. While humans might be fooled, God knows the heart.

Question 2: “how is the purpose of justice served when an unbeliever is murdered by a believer who later seeks forgiveness?”

Answer: Civil justice is not deterred. Civil consequences remain. In terms of God’s justice, when real repentance is sought (as with the Apostle Paul), the justice of God has been satisfied by God’s decree that a perfect one could take the place of an imperfect one. The power of God to allow a champion to stand in the stead of a weaker warrior is somewhat reflected in a president’s ability to pardon or grant amnesty.

In the not too distant past, the use of a “second” was acceptable. The logic behind the use of a champion is the inability of the offender ever truly to be able to stand on his own. Thus, human total depravity, requires a champion for the human can never stand on his own.

I repeat, though, that you have not proven human rights. I see absolutely no rationalization for them in the law of the jungle, of tooth and nail.


2,281 posted on 06/08/2011 5:00:58 PM PDT by xzins
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To: James C. Bennett; xzins; aruanan; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...
Since belief in your deity’s dogma allows for the forgiving of sins, however grave they may be, what is to stop you from committing the worst of atrocities, and then begging forgiveness after the fact? To know you will be forgiven, allows you to do whatever you want, and then beg forgiveness.

That argument is a complete fallacy. It begins with a false premise and deteriorates from there.

While it is true that anybody who has committed sin can repent and be forgiven, as the thief on the cross demonstrates, anyone who presumptuously sins like that, counting on obtaining forgiveness and using that as a license to sin, is NOT saved.

That is spitting in the face of God and trampling underfoot the blood of Christ.

Anyone with that mentality is not saved and not ever likely to be saved.

Also, how is the purpose of justice served when an unbeliever is murdered by a believer who later seeks forgiveness?

A believer does not murder. Anyone who murders is not a believer. Another false premise on your part.

What's your next reason/excuse for rejecting Christianity?

2,283 posted on 06/08/2011 8:30:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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