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1 posted on 04/21/2011 8:58:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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After Brewer vetoed the Arizona bill, I have lost confidence that any of these bills will ever, actually become law. And, if they do, they will be challenged in court (although I can’t imagine what grounds they will use).


2 posted on 04/21/2011 9:04:38 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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"isn't needed since Obama says he is an American citizen and has produced documentation"

Fine. If he's good, then this isn't about him; it's merely finding a means to uphold the Constitution since the courts hace refused to do so. So this merely is about an enforcement mechanism for the future. No problem the, right??

3 posted on 04/21/2011 9:06:02 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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Hopefully the AZ legislature will regroup next week to override Brewer's veto.

Rep. Babette Josephs, ranking Democrat on the House State Government Committee, said the bill by Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, R-Cranberry, the committee chairman, isn't needed since Obama says he is an American citizen and has produced documentation.

Then OBumber won't mind to produce that elusive long form birth certificate.

4 posted on 04/21/2011 9:06:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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If this is enacted in Penna. then 0bama is toast. No Democrat can win without Penna.


8 posted on 04/21/2011 9:16:26 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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I contend we are reenacting the days of Gideon... God culled Gideon’s army down to 300 so the people would know who was in control... There is a whirlwind of chaff blowing across this nation.


9 posted on 04/21/2011 9:23:33 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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Pennsylvania? I’d been thinking that Obama would just ignore such new laws in any state he lost in 2008 and had little chance of winning in 2012. But Pennsylvania would be one he couldn’t afford to ignore.


10 posted on 04/21/2011 9:35:52 PM PDT by Will88
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Is not PA the state where the person, (IIRC Mr. Berg), lives, that first asked for eligibility documentation? Seems only fitting this state be first in the nation to require any candidate to demonstrate with documentation their eligibility.


11 posted on 04/21/2011 9:41:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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Do you know what is so very sad about this Obama long form birth certificate controversy?

1. This is what is so sad about it: After the Nov. 2012 presidential election is over, states will be rushing to pass presidential eligibility laws in preparation for the Obama-less 2016 presidential elections and beyond, such as elections in 2020, 2024, 2028, and nobody will put up a fight to stop the law or care whether the law is passed or not, because if Obama wins re-election, he won't be eligible to run again, and lawmakers can say definitely that the law is not being passed specifically to attack Obama.

2. My prediction: I predict that soon after the 2012 election and before the 2016 presidential elections, EVERY state will have a presidential eligibility law in effect, and I bet that most of those laws will look pretty close to the presidential eligibility bill that Arizona Gov. Brewer recently vetoed.

3. I can't believe that state lawmakers won't go ahead and pass presidential eligibility laws before the 2012 presidential elections, when they know in their hearts that once the 2012 presidential election is over, they will rush to pass presidential eligibility laws so that an Obama-type long form birth certificate circus never happens again beginning with the 2016 presidential election.

4. Yes, it so sad to say but cowardly state lawmakers will wait until AFTER the 2012 presidential election is over to step up to the plate and be counted by passing a long-needed presidential eligibility law, a law that will probably look like the Arizona bill recently vetoed by the coward Governor Brewer of Arizona.

12 posted on 04/21/2011 9:42:52 PM PDT by john mirse
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we cannot allow the left to paint this as a racist action

we must insist that we are only reaffirming the requirements for eligibility so there is no ‘misunderstandings’ in the future, regardless of the race of the applicant

Zero’s father was not a citizen at the time of Zero’s birth and never applied for citizenship during his lifetime.

Zero was never eligible for POTUS.


13 posted on 04/21/2011 9:50:06 PM PDT by blueplum
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In 2008, in response to widely circulated rumors and Internet postings, Obama's campaign posted his "certificate of live birth" form filed in Hawaii.

Dear Brad Bumstead of the Tribune Review,

Look very closely at these two words:

(1) Certificate

(2) Certification

Now, here's a very difficult question for you:

Do you see any differences between the two words?

No? I didn't think you would.

17 posted on 04/22/2011 1:21:52 AM PDT by TChad
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LIBERALS ? MSM ? YOU NEED TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP ! EITHER OBAMA IS LEGIT ? OR HE IS NOT ? WHY ALL THE FUSS ABOUT THESE ELIGIBILITY BILLS IN THOSE STATES IF HE IS LEGIT AS YOU SAY HE IS ?


19 posted on 04/22/2011 4:07:48 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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HARRISBURG -- State legislation requiring presidential candidates to prove they are natural-born citizens is a political effort aimed at President Obama, a Philadelphia Democrat said today.

Rep. Babette Josephs, ranking Democrat on the House State Government Committee, said the bill by Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, R-Cranberry, the committee chairman, isn't needed since Obama says he is an American citizen and has produced documentation.

Well if Babette believes osamaobama, that settles it, let's just trust him to do the right thing.

20 posted on 04/22/2011 5:46:25 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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"I believe him myself," said Josephs

Why the heck do you, Josephs, play the political fool by saying you believe a man who is widely known to be a incessant liar? That's not common sense. It's pure suckupism.

21 posted on 04/22/2011 5:50:41 AM PDT by bvw
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I'm contacting my house rep, David Maloney, and asking him to support the bill.
23 posted on 04/22/2011 6:25:10 AM PDT by floozy22 (The left has an irrational devotion to protecting evil.)
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