Posted on 04/11/2011 7:20:09 PM PDT by bray
What has happened to Queen Ann? She was on Hannity and rips into Trump about the Birther issue that she says has been proved beyond any doubt. Claims the Cirt of Live Birth is the same as BC and basically calls him a kook. Why not at least support him in the slightest?
Then she states the big money donors are holding their funds waiting for Christie to run and if he doesn't then they will give it to Romney. What big donor is hoping Christie would run and win? Does she have any idea where he is polling 1%?
Then she doesn't give the time of day to Palin or Bachmann. Just not getting what she sees?
“It’s just sad since most of us love what she writes and she goes on these shows trashing people who are fighting the fight.”
What fight? Trump gave money to Schumer, Reid, Ted Kennedy, and the Democrats senatorial campaign committee.
Coulter has been a conservative for years.
Trump makes some comments clearly designed just to get attention ... and birthers FALL FOR IT like he’s some prize-fighter. Suckers born every minute.
“Is there not one thing she agrees with Palin on? “
YES. PALIN AND COULTER AGREE THAT THE BIRTHER STUFF IS A DEAD END.
So who do you suppose has the best investigative team, salon, politifacts, Coulter or Trump? Chances are very strong he has known the truth about this before he brought it up. Now he likely knows more about this issue than anybody in the world since he owns hotels in HI and can hire the best to investigate.
A guy like Trump isn’t Joe Birther getting his info from salon or a website. He has his teeth on the neck and he ain’t letting go. Ann is ignoring the obvious and could have just asked why he doesn’t show the long form? Why couldn’t the Governor find it?
As a birther with historical experience going back to before service in WWII, I do resent Coulter and others who are calling me derogatory names for being such. I have quite a long list of such names which could be thrown back at these people and be more applicable. However, I’d best be decent and just say it is a matter of’sticks and stones’.
As a birther with historical experience going back to before service in WWII, I do resent Coulter and others who are calling me derogatory names for being such. I have quite a long list of such names which could be thrown back at these people and be more applicable. However, I’d best be decent and just say it is a matter of’sticks and stones’.
“She is calling those who are skeptical about Zero’s origins plain dumb or delusional.”
Well, you have to draw that conclusion when known falsehoods are repeated by people trying to push the birther story.... like the lie about his Grandma saying he was born in Kenya when the REAL transcript shows this:
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/041111_trump_obama
Translator: No, no — what? . . . No! Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
McRae: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was born in Kenya.
Translator: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
McRae: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?
Translator: Huh?
McRae: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born. . . .
Translator: Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
McRae: OK.
Translator: Yeah, in 1960 this was Hawaii, where his father, his father was also marrying there. This was Hawaii.
McRae: OK. . . . I thought you said she was present. Was she, was, was she, was she able to see him being, being born in, in Hawaii? . . .
Translator: No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what — you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.
No, Palin said have at it! I believe she also questioned why he didn’t show the BC. Trump is the only person who can push the issue so why not support him. The WH seems pretty bothered.
Coulter, just like the rest of the Fox crew have obviously been given their marching orders either by Ailes or Murdoch about what they can and cannot say. That’s probably the real reason Glenn Beck left.
I’d love to see Beck start up a new, truly conservative cable channel and kick FNC’s butt. Quite frankly, the FNC lineup is dull as dirt now and I can’t stand to watch any of them. Not even good as a soporific before bedtime as it takes too long.
Her eating disorder is fascinated by his wanton appetite.
Can’t she just go get a Corvette and a pool boy or pull her hair out rather than turning into Peggy Noonan?
OIC...you mean Mitt “I flip more than a gymnast” Romney!
Every time I see that picture of Romney and those creepy MA State legislators I want to hurl.
Sorry, Mitt, you own ROMNEYCARE!
Who take the girl with skinny legs?
Ann knows more than you do:
1. A Certificate of Live Birth is NOT equivalent to a BC.
= The certification of Live Birth is the official birth record you get when you request it from hawaii state records. it is sufficient for getting a passport, etc. and has been validated by state of hawaii officials. Saying its different doesnt make the COLB valueless, so thats misleading.
2. The newspaper listings (as far as I’ve found they are only on microfilm at the National Archive and Hawaiian state library) could have been placed by a family member. Was typical of many natives to be born at home and then listed.
= Not so. They were in a category that came from state records, which came from hospitals, not the public. See:
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/041111_trump_obama
(quote)
In a 2009 story, the Advertiser noted that the announcement read exactly the same in the competing newspapers: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.” That’s because, it said, the information came directly from the health department, citing department spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
Advertiser, July 28, 2009: Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said. Birth announcements from the public ran elsewhere in both papers and usually included information such as the newborn’s name, weight and time of birth.
Okubo’s statement is further supported by the Advertiser headline (”Births, Marriages, Deaths)” and subhead (”Health Bureau Statistics”). The Star-Bulletin headline reads, “Marriage Applications Births–Deaths.”
In a Nov. 9, 2008 story in the Advertiser, the Star-Bulletin’s former managing editor Dave Shapiro discussed the paper’s policy for accepting birth announcements.
Advertiser, Nov. 9, 2008: Advertiser columnist and former Star-Bulletin managing editor Dave Shapiro was not at either paper in 1961, but he remembers how the birth notices process worked years later when both papers were jointly operated by the Hawaii Newspaper Agency — which no longer exists. “Those were listings that came over from the state Department of Health,” he said. “They would send the same thing to both papers.”
(end -quote)
basically, the fact that both were in the official stats category and exactly the same indicates they came via the official records office and NOT a relative just posting it.
3. The state of Hawaii allows for BCs to be issued to those “born without the state or territory.”
= Irrelevent/misleading. In the COLB, Obama’s PLACE OF BIRTH IS LISTED. Honolulu. Was he born in Honolulu? That’s what his COLB says. Either the COLB is wrong, forged or ... the real and obvious answer - Obama was actually born in Honolulu just like his official hawaii records and the COLB indicate. the official bio story is that he was born in Honolulu’s Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital. His official records jibe with that.
Claims that you COULD have a COLB despite being born out of state and you COULD somehow get a birth announcement in a newspaper even if not born in a local hospital are based on zero evidence that it actually transpired that way.
4. The media stated a COLB wouldn’t do for Trump and demanded the long form BC, which Trump provided.
= Not so. Trump produced a LESS valid form than Obama did, at first. see
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/041111_trump_obama
5. Obama may very well not be a NBC because his father was a British subject, which those on the left don’t dispute.
= Not so. Obama is not the first President with a non-citizen parent. This was adjudicated in Ankeny v Daniels in Indiana, and the court came down firmly on the side that Obama, being born in the US, was natural-born citizen. See:
http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2009/11/ind_decisions_r_34.html
6. Obama has a long list of records we’ve never seen — school records, medical, passport, etc.
= NOT what she is criticizing Trump on. If Trump wants to see his college grades, have at it.
“Ann hasn’t done her homework. Very disappointing.”
How disappointing that YOU would trash her when she is more right than wrong on the above points.
Bingo!
“She doesn’t say they are kooks, she just says that she believes they are wrong. And even if she said they were kooks, so freaking what? Does that mean everything she’s ever done, said or written is null and void?”
Birthers have thin skin and cant tolerate skepticism towards their skepticism. In their hearts, they know they are pushing a fairy tale.
“She’s wrong from a political point of view, because, regardless of the merits (IOW, even if Ann is right that the issue has been debunked), the fact that the issue is not only still around, but growing in influence, has political meaning”
the only ‘political meaning’ in a story that is false that still has legs - think of ‘communism’ for example, hanging around decades after its been a proven failure - is that people believe false things.
And they are suckers for falling for people who tell them what they want to hear.
Trump is just playing for the birther crowd.
that’s the real story.
A non-conservative who gives to liberal Democrats is winning over hardcore folks by throwing out bogus birther talking points. There is a sucker born every minute. Ann Coulter is calling Trump on this, CORRECTLY, and dumb birthers are attacking HER instead of wising up to the fact that they are being played like violins by Trump.
Ann Coulter is one of the best we have. She aims well before she shoots. So lets let her get a little windage and elevation. OK?
Bingo. but it's that very 'unease' that the left calls the right "racist" over it... after all, it MUST be his skin color. Right?
Wrong. For the record, Obama was born in Honolulu, and any claims contrary have zero evidence to back them up ... but ... then he lived in Indonesia, then raised by granparents, neve went to a US public school (Indonesia schools, then private school). he went straight from a different experience to the 'elite' academic world. with stop offs at the church of Rev Wright (not much like middle America pastors). Never a "middle America" kind of guy --- with all those 'bitter clinger' types.
What these people need to be looking at is WHY such a supposedly wacky issue has taken root and won't die? Only then can they offer an opinion as to whether the "birther" issue (again, which is simply a proxy for distrusting this president all the way around) is a political loser or not.
Psycho-analyzing it would easily lead to the lame-o 'racism' charge. That's why it is better to drop it and stick to a fundamental issue and truth:
Barack Obama does not understand nor believe in the United States as an 'exceptional nation', one whose heritage is sufficient good and beneficial that its traditions must be maintained and secured. He's bought into the progressive critique of a flawed nation.
Very well said, and I agree. Whether or not BHO is Constitutionally eligible to be President is, however, of great importance to our country and its future. If it’s proven that he’s not a natural-born citizen, not only must he be removed, all his executive orders, signed laws, czars, appointed justices, etc., be nullified, but he and everyone who participated in the fraud should, by law, go to prison.
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