I am going to respond to your #394 at this point and I am not going to quote all of the material to which I am responding. I am also going to contribute on Fractel Trader's #387 at some point today.
The direct answer to your specific question above is found on the U of W transcript. The transcript is a Day School regular University Transcript for Spring Quarter, 1962--the 10 week session beginning in March and running until finals in June. There, she is shown as a regular day school student who completed the classes with the grades set out in that quarter.
The notes on the transcript about her prior classes tell us that she attended class Fall quarter 1961 and Winter quarter 1962; the end dates for those attendances is also shown which are the final's week dates for the final exam in those classes; her grades are shown.
The classes are X classes--which denotes classes in the Extension College. The Night School is part of the Extension College.
Registration for the Night School was conducted on September 19 (actually several days during that week). Classes started the following week, the end of September, 1961.
Note also the communication from Sharon Rondeau which Fred posts at #380. I have never seen that communication before but it confirms exactly what I have been posting for the last two years.
This is to confirm that when Ms. Obama’s record was entered into the Student Data Base, an error had been made and the month was entered as August (8) and not September (9). The staff person made an honest mistake since on the original record the 9 is typed on the line which makes the 9 look like an 8. Our office investigated this, found that the class did not begin until September so corrected the on-line transcript changing the month from August to September.
Or more accurately, as I have said, the month was typed below the fold in a large transcript binder so that the number could not be clearly seen--the clerk who entered the data misread the 9 as an 8 because the type was very small and it looked on the fold as though the bottom loop in the 9 was closed to make the number an 8.
However, as I have also said, it is clear that the number is really a 9--from personal knowledge, I knew that the campus was locked down on August 19, 1961 and I knew further that X classes were registered the end of September to start for the quarter at that time.
One other narrow issue is also disposed of there. The University taught extension classes by correspondence. The typical entry for a correspondence class would have been C or CX. I know of a correspondence class taught fall quarter 1964 which was transcripted as an X class so I was suspicious about the Stanley Ann transcript on that ground. I subsequently learned that the 1964 class was registered in Night School as an X class; the student then moved to Los Angeles and took the last several sessions by correspondence and then returned to Seattle to take the final in December of 1964 and thus the transcript X entry is consistent with our view here.
Your comment about the Tyee is also something we have considered.
The Tyee for the class of 1962 would have pictures taken in the fall of 1961. It included only day school students and Stanley Ann was not a day school student in the fall of 1961--she didn't become one until Spring Quarter 1962.
The Tyee for the class of 1963 would have pictures taken in the fall of 1962 and there is no evidence anywhere that she was there in the fall quarter of 1962.
Further, the Tyee's were not complete. Lots of people were left out. The pictures were a loose operation; so was publication. I don't think you could take much from absence of the picture one way or the other, even if you thought her picture should have been there although as I see the schedule, her picture would never have been there in normal conditions anyway.
Finally, as to possible interaction with her former Mercer Island classmates at the U, I don't take much from absence of information from them either.
The Night School was not part of the regular social order at the U. Day students never saw the Night School students unless they were making a point to do so. By Spring quarter when she was in day school, the social interaction would have been established and the pattern may not have included her.
She was busy; so were the others. If she had an infant son with her in that period, she had real time consuming obligations as well as a demanding school schedule. Many of the day school students were not living on Campus; were working; and would not have had any regular intercourse with someone on Stanley Ann's schedule.
David, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions in detail. I am sorry you didn’t see my follow up remark first, it would have saved you going through the transcript part of it.
As to the lack of comments from school mates during her university years, I don’t agree with all that you say. Maxine Hanson Box was a self professed bosom buddy of SAD’s. For me it is hard to believe that she would only have crossed paths with her best friend of only one year prior once (I only remember one comment from Maxine re SAD at UW) during her freshman and sophomore years at UW.
The press showed no interest in finding out who knew her at UW. You’d think they might have wanted to know if she had any boy friends, for instance. Yes she had a baby but she might have had a social life, too, albeit less of one than the average, carefree college student without a baby would have had.
How about a reporter finding one of her instructors and getting an interview or just a few quotes for an article? After all, Tim Jones did a video report and featured one of her high school teachers from Mercer. Why not include one from the university, too?
These gaps in the her bio were covered by concentrating on the details of her residency in Capitol Hill. For me, the way that era in her life was handled leaves it open to speculation about her true whereabouts, her true appearance and her true identity.
(very liberal - Telling Sarah Palin She's Full of Crap (by Leftake.com), Legalize Gay Marriage on his page)
(he does seem to be very talented so maybe you've heard of him out in Seattle?)
The above is just background for what I want to tell you which is this:
There is a another Carlos Espinoza who is 48 and splits his time among Seattle, Mercer Island and Los Angeles. These is no information that connects this Carlos Espinoza to the Carlos Espinoza from the MIHS class of 1960 in this article or anywhere else that I can find.
Here is the significance of the younger Carlos:
"Islander Carlos Espinoza, a six-time regional Emmy Award winning television producer, is the associate producer of the film, to be called “Stanley Ann Dunham: A Most Generous Spirit.”
(Source: Mercer Island is part of documentary on Obama’s mother)
In the article, he asked,
"Who was this woman who brought a United States president into the world? How did she inspire and shape her son into the person who is now one of the most powerful leaders in the world?
“And we know so little about her,” he continued. “She is a fascinating story in her own right.”
"Well, Carlos baby, we got questions, too, and I'm hoping you might help us answer a few" is my response.
Do you know anything about this proposed documentary? This article was published over a year ago now and I'm curious to know if the project ever went forward and, if so, how close is it to being finished? Do you know anyone at the Mercer Island Reporter that you could ask or even the author, a Mary L. Grady? Maybe Carlos has delved into her university years and will include that in the documentary. BTW, if he dropped the project, it would be interesting to know why.