[phi11yguy19]

Again you seem to think I said things I never said. But I do find it ironic that secession was considered akin to treason when northern states considered it, but that it was the highest form of political expression when the south wanted to do it.

The ignorance is beautiful in its brevity.

I made the case the Northern states pushed for secession just as hard as the South as an example of it's legitimacy and its precedent. That they didn't go through with it was because their biggest grievance all but disappeared by the time the presented their case (the war), and their public humiliation dissolved their party.

The South had no such good fortune to alleviate their concerns, as the antithesis to their grievances made itself known during an inauguration speech. Their concern was validated upon Lincoln's attack at which point their cause grew in support by 4 more states (technically 4, but theoretically 6).

Going for the "treason" angle might be a case where you you seem to think I said things I never said.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I made the case the Northern states pushed for secession just as hard as the South

You really don't see a difference between discussing secession and then dropping the idea and issuing a declaration announcing yourself seceded, forming a new national government, building an army and going to war, do you?

I'm still waiting for your response about the ceasefire and when the Hartford Convention should have learned about the Treaty of Ghent.