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To: K-Stater
But they did end it.

When, exactly? They started and continued the trade even past when trade was banned in 1809 (RI and NY were the biggest traders in our history), and moved slaves South because of climate. The U.S. Constitution never outlawed expansion of slavery. The CSA one did. Just repeating an inaccuracy doesn't make it accurate.

So you should be able to point us to some of their ideas

Already have (ie VA protesting since the early 1700s...actually they were the first State in the WORLD to protest the institution when it was at it's peak, but you knew that). But overall, North and South alike didn't believe in integrating the races at the time. When slaves were "freed" in the north, they were conscripted, abandoned, sold south or sold back overseas. Which of those solutions are you saying was morally superior to anything in the south?

As for the "moving around" theory you present for the CSA, the Dred Scott decision sorta nullifies that whole argument, no? Nice try though.

Also, please add "hyperbole" to the list of words you don't understand how to use.
192 posted on 04/12/2011 6:12:29 AM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: phi11yguy19
The U.S. Constitution never outlawed expansion of slavery. The CSA one did.

Did you get that from Durand, too? I direct your attention to the Confederate Constitution, Article IV, Sec. 3, Clause 3:

3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Just repeating an inaccuracy doesn't make it accurate.

Indeed.

204 posted on 04/12/2011 9:11:14 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: phi11yguy19
They started and continued the trade even past when trade was banned in 1809 (RI and NY were the biggest traders in our history), and moved slaves South because of climate.

No doubt completely against the will and the desires of the Southern people, as you have been trying to convince us.

The U.S. Constitution never outlawed expansion of slavery. The CSA one did. Just repeating an inaccuracy doesn't make it accurate.

No, it doesn't. Can you point me to the clause of the Confederate Constitution that you believe outlawed the expansion of slavery in the CSA?

Already have (ie VA protesting since the early 1700s...actually they were the first State in the WORLD to protest the institution when it was at it's peak, but you knew that).

Virginia wasn't protesting slavery, it was protesting slave imports. And I know what you claim, but one has to question your conclusion that alturism was the motivating factor. To begin with, Virginia was far from the first state to try and discourage slave imports. States like New York and Pennsylvania taxed the crap out of slave imports prior to the revolution. Virginia did ask the king to end slave imports, while at the same time doing nothing to hinder slave ownership or encourage manumission of slaves. On the contrary, until the late 1770's the Virginia legislature had to approve the manumission of a slave and in 1806 Virginia passed a law saying that any slave freed had 12 months in which to leave the state or else be sold back into slavery. So if it wasn't opposition to slavery as a whole which motivated Virginia's actions then what was it? In his book "A Slaveholders Union: Slavery, Politics, and the Constitution in the Early American Republic" George van Cleve notes that support for the legislation came primarily from large slave-owners on the eastern shore. Their motivation was pure capitalism; with demand for slaves remaining constant then any reduction in supply would cause a corresponding in crease in price for the available slaves. So perhaps you and Durand are seeing compassion for slaves where none is due. Certainly the complete lack of any other legislation in Virginia limiting or hindering the ownership of slaves tends to discount any idea that there was widespread opposition to the institution itself.

As for the "moving around" theory you present for the CSA, the Dred Scott decision sorta nullifies that whole argument, no? Nice try though.

No it does not. Dred Scott removed barriers to the expansion of slavery, but the Lincoln administration was opposed to that and would have taken legislative and legal steps to overturn the flawed Scot decision. It was that fear that motivated the Southern secession.

Also, please add "hyperbole" to the list of words you don't understand how to use.

Examples of hyperbole are present in almost every one of your posts.

219 posted on 04/12/2011 10:46:24 AM PDT by K-Stater
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