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To: phi11yguy19
They started and continued the trade even past when trade was banned in 1809 (RI and NY were the biggest traders in our history), and moved slaves South because of climate.

No doubt completely against the will and the desires of the Southern people, as you have been trying to convince us.

The U.S. Constitution never outlawed expansion of slavery. The CSA one did. Just repeating an inaccuracy doesn't make it accurate.

No, it doesn't. Can you point me to the clause of the Confederate Constitution that you believe outlawed the expansion of slavery in the CSA?

Already have (ie VA protesting since the early 1700s...actually they were the first State in the WORLD to protest the institution when it was at it's peak, but you knew that).

Virginia wasn't protesting slavery, it was protesting slave imports. And I know what you claim, but one has to question your conclusion that alturism was the motivating factor. To begin with, Virginia was far from the first state to try and discourage slave imports. States like New York and Pennsylvania taxed the crap out of slave imports prior to the revolution. Virginia did ask the king to end slave imports, while at the same time doing nothing to hinder slave ownership or encourage manumission of slaves. On the contrary, until the late 1770's the Virginia legislature had to approve the manumission of a slave and in 1806 Virginia passed a law saying that any slave freed had 12 months in which to leave the state or else be sold back into slavery. So if it wasn't opposition to slavery as a whole which motivated Virginia's actions then what was it? In his book "A Slaveholders Union: Slavery, Politics, and the Constitution in the Early American Republic" George van Cleve notes that support for the legislation came primarily from large slave-owners on the eastern shore. Their motivation was pure capitalism; with demand for slaves remaining constant then any reduction in supply would cause a corresponding in crease in price for the available slaves. So perhaps you and Durand are seeing compassion for slaves where none is due. Certainly the complete lack of any other legislation in Virginia limiting or hindering the ownership of slaves tends to discount any idea that there was widespread opposition to the institution itself.

As for the "moving around" theory you present for the CSA, the Dred Scott decision sorta nullifies that whole argument, no? Nice try though.

No it does not. Dred Scott removed barriers to the expansion of slavery, but the Lincoln administration was opposed to that and would have taken legislative and legal steps to overturn the flawed Scot decision. It was that fear that motivated the Southern secession.

Also, please add "hyperbole" to the list of words you don't understand how to use.

Examples of hyperbole are present in almost every one of your posts.

219 posted on 04/12/2011 10:46:24 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: K-Stater
Instead of telling me what it is I think, would you care to point out where I ever said the general "will and the desires of the Southern people" were anti-slavery??? Didn't think so. There's no point defending statements I never made.

Can you point me to the clause - Cited and clarified in post 214.

Virginia wasn't protesting slavery, it was protesting slave imports. - See post 109:

"Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce."

There's no point in going in circles if you're not going to read previous posts or original texts, yet feel confident enough to say something as imbecilic as "VA wasn't protesting slavery"

the Lincoln administration was opposed to [Dred Scott v Sanford] and would have taken legislative and legal steps to overturn the flawed Scot decision

Unfortunately while the case was still pending, Lincoln addressed Southerners with: "The Supreme Court of the United States is the tribunal to decide such a question, and we will submit to its decisions; and if you do also, there will be an end of the matter. Will you? If not, who are the disunionists — you or we?"

Epic fail for Lincoln on that backfire. Thank you for providing yet another example where Lincoln lied to the South leading to the war, and then usurped the powers he admitted are confined to a separate branch of government.
222 posted on 04/12/2011 11:12:52 AM PDT by phi11yguy19
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