[central_va]

There was never any natural right to unilateral secession

Only in your fascists mind. Nothing but hatespeech and Northern revisionism. You sound psychotic, you need help. WTBS threads really bring out the kooks.

[TheBigIf]

I guess I hit a nerve.

It is you who has a fascist mind.

You do not believe in the rule of law but instead believe that your lack of morality is law when it is not.

You do not have any right to simply tear down the Constitution as your side fought for.

It is you who are the kook still fighting for the abolition of the United States Constitution based upon the traitorous actions of democrats 150 years ago.

It is frightening how lost you are.

[phi11yguy19]

Does TheBigIf et al. claim Constitutional expertise greater than the "father" James Madison himself? From his papers:

"Should the provisions of the Constitution as here reviewed be found not to secure the Government and rights of the States against usurpations and abuses on the part of the United States, the final resort within the purview of the Constitution lies in an amendment of the Constitution according to a process applicable by the States.

And in the event of a failure of every constitutional resort, and an accumulation of usurpations and abuses, rendering passive obedience and non-resistance a greater evil, than resistance and revolution, there can remain but one resort, the last of all, an appeal from the cancelled obligations of the constitutional compact, to original rights and the law of self-preservation. This is the ultima ratio under all Government whether consolidated, confederated, or a compound of both; and it cannot be doubted that a single member of the Union, in the extremity supposed, but in that only, would have a right, as an extra and ultra constitutional right, to make the appeal."

Or mandatory reading at West Point for nearly two decades in the 1800s says:

"It depends on the state itself to retain or abolish the principle of representation, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle of which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed....

The secession of a state from the Union depends on the will of the people of such state. The people alone, as we have already seen, hold the power to alter their constitutions. But in any manner by which a secession is to take place, nothing is more certain than that the act should be deliberate, clear, and unequivocal. To withdraw from the Union is a solemn, serious act. Whenever it may appear expedient to the people of a state, it must be manifested in a direct and unequivocal manner."