Donald Trump (Birther-N.Y.) needs to get serious (Breaking! MSNBC Shows Birth Certificate!)

Washington Post ^ | 04/04/2011 | Jonathan Capehart

[patlin]

I have no reason to dispute the COLB Mikki placed on the internet. I respect her & even contributed to her campaign.

filed/received...forgive me if I got your comment mixed up with someone elses

getting back to the Rev dates, the changes were passed well before they were implemented, so I think that is just a coincidence. Have you seen a COLB prior to 2008 that looks like obama’s? I haven't. All the ones I have seen look more like the one Mikki posted.

[patlin]

me: http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/

I'm really more into the history of US citizenship because I do not believe we are going to fix our country until we fix our citizenship problem. That problem that has continued to dilute the true definition of a natural born citizen and that allowed Obama to get elected.

[Jonah Vark]

One of my documents shows the MOTHER’S and FATHER’S STATE/COUNTRY OF BIRTH, the others do not.

Incidentally, on one of my COLBs, the MOTHER’S and FATHER’S race is indicated as KOREAN, which we all know is a nationality, not a race. Booth’s COLB indicates the parents as CAUCASIAN/JAPANESE and CAUCASIAN/HAWAIIAN. Not a race either. Most Hawaiian citizens at that time were of Asian descent so maybe Hawaii’s diverse ethnicity required vital records to be more specific in regard to race than just Caucasian, Asian, Negro or African American, etc. But African, that’s got me puzzled too.

[Jonah Vark]

Danae’s COLB had the same format as Obama’s I wonder when she acquired hers.

[Mr. K]

Is there any freeper that has or knows someone who has one of the COLB’s who acually was born in another country (with the birth certificate to prove it?)

If it is possible to get a COLB when you were born some where sle, we should be able to dig up an example

We need to send video of that to Trump - the only one with the guts to question this story

[patlin]

she sent for it

[Jonah Vark]

I just looked at Danae’s documents to see if there was a date her COLB was issued. She also had her long form BC. Here’s what it shows.

The two boxes at the bottom have a space for Father’s race and Mother’s race.

CAUCASIAN, JAPANESE, ETC (SPECIFY)

So I guess you could put Martian in there if you wanted.
Did you find the Booth long form BC? Wonder what it says. I’m looking but can’t find it.

[TheBigJ]

Oh yes wise LAMESTREAM MEDIA HACKS, let’s examine your facts /sarcasm

Zero’s short form certification of live birth was presented:

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu231/firewaller/barack-obama-birth-certificate_472x.jpg

Images posted online “verified” by 2 “document analysis experts” — from Zero’s Chicago at Factcheck.org Jess Henig, M.A. in English Literature and Joe Miller Ph. D. in Political Philosophy:

http://theobamafile.com/_images/img100.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu231/firewaller/JoeMillerwithObamasBC.jpg

So there’s the big chain of evidence. All the proof needed. /sarcasm

Any officials verify and authenticate or receive these images posted online?

Nope.

Ever submitted in any court proceeding (nearly 100 court cases on Zero’s eligibility around the country:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/current-lawsuit-listing/eligibility-case-archive/
)

Nope.

But move along, we can trust Zero did the right thing!

And you too can take your laptop with your birth certificate short form image on the screen and present it to your local government office when required. If they don’t accept it, clearly there is a conspiracy in the works. Probably some form of bigotry too.

And in similar fashion I will be posting some images of Mothman and The Men in Black soon, “verified” by 2 friends — this is real. I may even be famous!

[Ladysforest]

Maybe Korean is an allowed code.: http://www.ncvhs.hhs.gov/021108p1.pdf

[Kickass Conservative]

Where's Daytona?

[Ladysforest]

Damn! Still working on how to post images and text.

Here is the active link.

http://www.ncvhs.hhs.gov/021108p1.pdf

[Ladysforest]

I found that panel in a presentation that Alvin Onaka had done in Philly PA in 2002. Titled;

THE COLLECTION AND USE OF RACE AND ETHNIC DATA IN HAWAII

[Jonah Vark]

I found the Booth long form BC. DOB 1981 Yep, It’s hard to read but it looks like It also shows…..

CAUCASIAN, JAPANESE, ETC (SPECIFY)

Oklahoma firecracker takes on Obama eligibility
Candidate for Congress: ‘If he claims he was born at Kapi’olani, I want him to show proof’
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=124656

Mki’s husband’s 1949 BC asks for COLOR OR RACE. So I wonder what the HDOH asked for back in 1961.

[Ladysforest]

Why don’t you just try asking the kind staff at the Dept. Of Health in Honolulu?

[patlin]

Because of HI diverse population demographic, Caucasian/Japanese would have been a proper term. According to 1961 HI vital statistics, Japanese was a race in and of itself. A way to determine the country the Asian came from. Caucasian was the US code needed for national statistics. Therefore I see nothing abnormal with HI using a hyphenated race. It makes perfect sense. They have to fulfill both state & national reporting requirements.

No, I haven't searched for the long form. I have other research that I am trying to get done. I am just reporting what is in the vast archives of my brain during my breaks from reading legal mumbo jumbo.

[Jonah Vark]

I found the race info at your site posted by DABIG. Looks like Martian isn’t an option. :-)
Thanks for the good info. And thanks to DABIG. IIRC DABIG lives in Hawaii. I wish he/she would get copies of some Hawaii newspaper articles.

“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”
There was NO classification for “African” (or African-American)
http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

[Jonah Vark]

The HDOH that lied to me about a document I requested?

“Therefore, the department does not have a record responsive to your request”.

Later I found out after Danae’s ordeal that the document should have been available. Would I love to go there and get my hands on certain documents.

[Ladysforest]

Just so. There is more contemporary info there also.

Parents were to self-identify from the approved codes. Still are. Prior to HI becoming a state it was a little different. Once it became a state they had to go by the US Gov. regs for vital stats. They had to use the established codes.

I read very recently that a couple in HI was suing so that they didn’t have to have any race for parents or child listed anywhere in the birth records. They got in quite a snit about it. I forget how it played out.

[American Constitutionalist]

" It’s so real, he’s spent close to 2M hiding his records."

Or ? a Very fancy dancy Gold Plated Birth Certificate..