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Donald Trump (Birther-N.Y.) needs to get serious (Breaking! MSNBC Shows Birth Certificate!)
Washington Post ^ | 04/04/2011 | Jonathan Capehart

Posted on 04/04/2011 6:41:31 AM PDT by Rational Thought

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell doesn’t think much of what Donald Trump is doing with all this birther stuff and his fake run for the 2012 Republican nomination for president. And neither do I. We said as much on O’Donnell’s show “The Last Word” on Friday night. In fact, I went a step further and did something I’d done once before when talking about the persistent and long-debunked conspiracy theory that President Obama is not a U.S. citizen: I showed his birth certificate on live television.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; media; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: butterdezillion
Does Illinois require proof of citizenship to get on the ballot?

I can't answer that, but I do know you must be a citizen to be a Rep. or a Sen.

61 posted on 04/04/2011 10:53:34 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: sand88

You are welcome. I just searched on “witch doctor” and posted the silliest one I could find. I try to repay all the laughs I get from others, but I’ll NEVER catch up.


62 posted on 04/04/2011 10:53:51 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today, if you build a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: patlin

Excellent. Let’s somehow get these two docs on tv to counteract these idiots. Thanks for posting them side by side.


63 posted on 04/04/2011 11:05:35 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Rational Thought

Jonathan Capehart, who is openly gay

Jonathan Capehart’s Mother Chastises Dylan Ratigan: You “Pissed Me Off,” My Son Is Not A “Clown”

http://tinyurl.com/3zpgmsz

Wash Post’s Jonathan Capehart Smears Sarah Palin for ‘Anti-Semitic Phrase’

In the video, the former Alaska governor rejected this as a “blood libel.” Capehart smeared, “...That phrasing, that phrase is incredibly anti-Semitic. And no one is calling Sarah Palin an anti-Semite but for her to use that language a lot of people think she has dug a deep hole even deeper.”

However, the National Review’s Jim Geraghty pointed to an October 30, 2008 Ann Coulter column: Capehart’s Washington Post colleague Eugene Robinson complained about “...The blood libel against black men concerning the defilement of the flower of Caucasian womanhood.” Was Mr. Robinson using anti-Semitic language? Should he have been “more careful,” as Capehart instructed Palin to be?

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“We’re talking about the extreme portions of the tea party movement and they’re overwhelmingly white. Those are the folks that are saying I want my country back,” Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart said on today’s “Morning Joe”. “And it does have that tinge of I want my country back from them.” The word racism was never mentioned, but check out the video below the fold. The implication was clear.

No word yet on whether Capehart and every other media personality to parrot this line of attack also think racism animates Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, James Carville, Paul Begala, Nation editor in chief Katrina vanden Heuvel, and libtalker Thom Hartmann. All have used the phrase “take our country back” or some form of it in electoral rallying cries

http://tinyurl.com/3zmz47q


64 posted on 04/04/2011 11:07:07 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: butterdezillion

As an amateur genealogist, I have spent hours, even days, viewing newspaper archives. I will tell you that the possibility of someone replacing a microfilm with another “doctored” microfilm would be relatively simple.

I can’t speak for the National archives but in the libraries and genealogy societies where I’ve visited, researchers are allowed to remove the microfilm box from the storage drawer, run it through the viewing machine themselves and place it on a table where it is later returned to its original location by staff members.

A sneak could easily remove the microfilm, hide it in their pocket, replace a fake reel in the box, and come back the next day with an altered microfilm.

The actual microfilm that has Obama’s announcement and also the previous and following reels, should be magnified and examined. There should be similar wear and tear on all three microfilms and the scratch marks on the Obama microfilm should be actual scratches and not copied images of scratches. If I were lawyer attempting to prove if the announcements are valid I might consider getting a court order to confiscate the reels. There may be no evidence of tampering but then again………

Gee, maybe I’ve been watching too much CSI. :-)


65 posted on 04/04/2011 11:21:56 AM PDT by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Yaelle
easier to read:

NO VISIBLE raised seal

certificate number is wrong place on document for someone born prior to 2007(date on back of fake colb)

parents state/country of birthplace omitted

politically correct race: African (Hahahahahaha)

officialHawaii-COLBobamaFAKE COLB

66 posted on 04/04/2011 11:24:29 AM PDT by patlin (Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican)
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.. . . . If this come out as intended (first try posting images) you will see that the Index Data book that contains Obama’s official entry, the one in the Honolulu Dept. Of Health, is missing the required official date range on the pages. But only in that book – only in the Index Book Obama is in. There are images from other Index Data books taken that same day and all the other books have the date range on every page. The first image is the 1960-1964 Index Data book. The second is the Index Data book for 1955-1959, and although blurry you can see that there is a date range in each "page". At the link you will see more images and also other types of Index Data books which do show the date range also. These were taken directly from the books in the Honolulu Dept. of Health this past summer. http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/its-a-date
67 posted on 04/04/2011 12:04:27 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

Active link:

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/its-a-date


68 posted on 04/04/2011 12:06:29 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: patlin

We were wondering if Micki Booth could get a certification of live birth to show us the difference. I am glad she did.

But now this brings up another issue. She received a certificate of live birth not a certification of. So the question is, in addition to the name change from certification to certificate to confuse the issue even more (they will do anything to make this as difficult as possible to follow), were there any other changes to the document like the ones pointed out here? the addition of parents place of birth, wrong position of DOH etc...

Does anyone know when Micki Booth received these new certificates of live birth?

Also if anyone has a way of getting in touch with Micki Booth, Obama’s Garden http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/03/ would like to compare the two seals. And the date accepted/date filed with the registrar issue.


69 posted on 04/04/2011 1:44:24 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: Ladysforest

It is extremely unfortunate that the investigator failed to get a photo of the birth index missing Obama’s name. I understand the person had trouble with the camera but they could have called someone to get instruction on how to snap a pic. That opportunity is lost forever.

I guess they didn’t allow photo copies of the birth index?


70 posted on 04/04/2011 1:51:07 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: jdirt
Mikki also has the long form birth certificates. This shorter version she posted I believe is from 1986, but the HI law governing what information is to be on the face of the short form certificate/certification documents has never changed. Filed / registered I believe are interchangeable terms, thus wasting time arguing that point to me is moot. Also, the fact that the seal is highly visible as it is supposed to be, further confirms the “WON’s” is a fake. I mean, even if you go to the fact check photos...who takes photos at different angles instead of just putting both sides through a scanner & posting the scanned images that have picked up & enhanced all anomalies such as folds & raised seals. Only someone with something to hide posts blurred pictures that hide the anomalies, rather than make them stand out.
71 posted on 04/04/2011 2:02:22 PM PDT by patlin (Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican)
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To: jdirt

You are referring to the first “investigator” TsunamiGeno. Yes, he had a pin video recorder, and I had warned him to practice with it a bunch before going to the DOH. He didn’t and so he didn’t realize he didn’t actually have it running until he left the DOH and checked it on his laptop. I swear I felt like crying.

Ironically, that is the same camera that was used to get “The Lady in Brown” ordering her long form BC on the next trip.

So, yes, user error. I couldn’t afford to invest in a really good pin camera before the first trip because I paid for the entire trip.

Both researchers asked for a copy, both were flatly refused. Neither were advised that they could write in and request one for example. I had expected that after what happened on the first trip, which is why I provided a different device to image the index book with for the second trip.


72 posted on 04/04/2011 2:19:12 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: patlin

I don’t wish to dispute your post, only to shed some additional light. The most important difference when comparing the two documents you displayed is the “Rev. date” at the bottom left hand corner. Keep in mind that Obama supposedly acquired his COLB in June 2007.

Obama’s COLB shows OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01) LASER
Alan Booth’s COLB shows OHSM 1.1 (Rev 10/08) LASER

Booth obviously acquired his COLB after October 2008. I acquired family Hawaii COLBs in November 2008 and they all have the 10/08 Rev. date. They have the same format as Booth’s and say CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. Why the HDOH decided to change the format on their COLB one month prior to the 2008 election is anybody’s guess.

The seal on the Booth documents is identical to the seal on my documents. I’m not very concerned that Obama’s first COLB doesn’t show the HDOH imprinted seal because I emailed a photo of mine to a printing expert for his observations and the image of the imprint was not detectable in the photo. I had to snail mail the actual document to him in order for him to see and feel the raised seal. I guess a better camera might have shown the seal.

There are many who have provided proof that the Obama COLB is a fake. To me, the most obvious problem with the document is that the Obama fightthesmears COLB has no folds but then they mysteriously appear in the factcheck COLB, along with the HDOH imprinted seal. That’s a sure indication that there is some chicanery going on.


73 posted on 04/04/2011 2:29:18 PM PDT by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: Jonah Vark
I can't explain the Rev date anomalies. I haven't investigated it enough but the filed/registered has been addressed and there are various COLBs out on the internet and the wording varies, so that point is moot.

Taking a photo of a document with a camera is NOT the same as a scanned image and that is the entire point here. Booth's is a scanned image. Cameras will distort & blur edges of things, scanners do not. Scanners enhance those distortions. Nearly every household today & certainly every office, like the one Obama’s was supposedly taken from, has a scanner at an arms length away for use. Therefore, the flat image that is posted is NOT the same thing as the hand held photos that would have offered better varification has they just simply scanned them on the machine they were standing next to.

And as far as the seal goes. The one in the camera images is not legible and it is also not distorted from the fold. It is a perfect circle when it should be an out of shape oval with an obvious to the eye fold through it.

But the kicker is the politically correct "African" race of the father. There was no such thing as political correctness in 1961, even in HI. If African is a race, does that mean I was born a North American Minnesotan? A continent is not a race. There were plenty of white Africans in 1961 also.

74 posted on 04/04/2011 2:52:30 PM PDT by patlin (Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican)
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To: patlin

You are quite correct about the use of “African” as fathers race. I spent many hours looking into that and never found that it was an allowed code - not then and not now - here are some of the things I found:

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/hawaiis-fathers-race-codes


75 posted on 04/04/2011 3:13:27 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: patlin

So if the information on it hasn’t changed, then obama’s colb is missing the origin of parents block?

I realize micki put out the long form. I was commenting I was glad she put out the short form too, so we have something to compare obama’s with.

I do not believe the question of date filed v date ACCEPTED has been answered for some investigators.

Does anyone have the link where micki’s short forms were originally posted? Sorry to be short, using my phone.

According to the previous posts, micki’s short forms were obtained in 2008.


76 posted on 04/04/2011 3:20:59 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: Ladysforest
I did the original search on the codes and posted the link to the CDC code guidelines & 1961 vital events census numbers over a year ago. It was in late 2009 or early 2010 when I posted them. I am also familiar with your site.
77 posted on 04/04/2011 3:40:40 PM PDT by patlin (Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican)
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To: jdirt

There are COLBs on the internet issued prior to 1990 that have the birth location of the parents listed on them. It’s been covered here somewhere in the “naturalborncitizen” or “certifigate” threads.

As far as the long forms Mikki originally posted. You’ll have to search for them. I didn’t keep links to them but probably the easiest place to find them would be through a site search at the birther report dot com.

Mikki getting the forms in 2008..could be I read wrong. When they were attained hasn’t been high on my list. What is contained in them is.


78 posted on 04/04/2011 3:48:05 PM PDT by patlin (Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican)
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To: patlin

OH! Are you the one I got those from? Hard to remember since so much has happened in the past year. I started to look into it more maybe a couple of months ago and found this that and the other, but nothing that allows for the parent to use African. I even found a good “worksheet” that shows a very good example of the forms that a parent must provide info for. No African.


79 posted on 04/04/2011 4:07:34 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: patlin

I can’t explain the Rev date anomaly.


The “date anomaly” is due to the fact that HDOH revised the COLB format in October 2008 as noted in the bottom left hand corner of the Booth COLB. This explains why the Obama document shows CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH and the Booth document and MY documents show CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. This also explains why the CERTIFICATE NUMBER , etc are in different locations on the two documents. The COLB format was revised by HDOH in October 2008.

Obama’s COLB was supposedly acquired in June 2007, hence the document revision date is OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01) LASER.

The Booth COLB was obviously acquired after October 2008 because the document “Rev” date is OHSM 1.1 (Rev 10/08) LASER. Same revision date as my documents I acquired in November 2008.

Why the HDOH decided to change the format on their COLB one month prior to the 2008 election is anybody’s guess.

You’re not implying that the Booth COLB is a fake, are you?
If you’re saying the Obama COLB is a fake, you got no argument with me on that one.

BTW I made no mention of the filed/registered date.


80 posted on 04/04/2011 4:08:25 PM PDT by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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