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[jamese777]

When Lincoln was elected(but before he was sworn in), the south knew that he would be a economic disaster, so they chose (legally) to separate themselves from the union. Their right to do so was supported by the Supreme court and the current President Buchanan ,who ordered a peaceful transfer of power to the Confederacy. When Linclon was sworn in he realized that 2/3 of the federal tax base was from the south. He attacked the south, as always follow the money. there is truth to the old saying that we have the best politicans money can buy!!

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Who fired on Fort Sumpter? Was it Lincoln’s Union Forces?
The Confederate States seceded from the Union because a candidate from a pro-abolitionist-anti-slavery expansion party was elected who would refuse to enforce the fugitive slave law and return private property to its rightful owner.

All one need do is to read the actual Secession Proclamations from the Confederate states to know that.
For example, here are Georgia’s, Mississippi’s, South Carolina’s and Texas’ Declarations: http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

[omegadawn]

“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
-— Abraham Lincoln, 3/14/1861 First Inaugural Speech slavery was not a issue until 1863.
It was a economic war,nothing more.

p.s. Lincoln sent reinforcements to a fort that was in Confederate territory,purposely to start a fight. He did not inform congress of his actions as he did not have the support to do so.

[jamese777]

“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
-— Abraham Lincoln, 3/14/1861 First Inaugural Speech slavery was not a issue until 1863.
It was a economic war,nothing more.

p.s. Lincoln sent reinforcements to a fort that was in Confederate territory,purposely to start a fight. He did not inform congress of his actions as he did not have the support to do so.

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It was sure about slavery for South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi and Texas when they seceded and they were quite clear in saying so in their Declarations of Secession.

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Georgia from the Federal Union.

“The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.”

“The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.”

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Excerpted from Lincoln’s SECOND Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865:
“One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. ‘Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.’ If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said ‘the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.’”

[omegadawn]

“If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side.”
-— Ulysses S. Grant

Apparently General Grant does not agree with you either!

p.s. Grant(north) was a slave owner, Lee(south) was not.

[bushpilot1]

[patlin]

sIt’s 1917 under Wilson, did you expect anything else?

Here is a better piece of historical evidence for you that I just found:

Naturalization Question: Attorney General Black’s Opinion Upon Expatriation and Naturalization
New York Times
Published: July 20, 1859

[H]ere none but a native can be President…A Native and a Naturalized American can go forth with equal security over every sea and through every land under heaven, including the country in which the latter was born… They are both of them American citizens, and their exclusive allegiance is due to the government of the United States…One of the never did owe featality elsewhere, and the other, at the time of his naturalization, solemnly and rightfully, in pursuance of public law and municipal regulations, threw off, renounced and abjured forever all allegiance to every foreign prince, potentate, State and sovereignty whatever, and especially to that sovereign whose subject he had previously been. [end quote]

And there is so much more:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB0C13FB34551B7493C2AB178CD85F4D8584F9

See also: THE NATURALIZATION QUESTION.; THE POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION DEFINED. Important Offical Paper.
New York Times
Published: July 15, 1859

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60C14FB34551B7493C7A8178CD85F4D8584F9

[jamese777]

“If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side.”
-— Ulysses S. Grant

Apparently General Grant does not agree with you either!

p.s. Grant(north) was a slave owner, Lee(south) was not.

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As I said, it was the seceding CONFEDERATE states that named slavery as the proximate cause of secession and slavery was most definitely an economic issue for the South, as was the loss of income and property due to fugitive slaves escaping and not being returned to the non-slaveholding states and territories.
Robert E. Lee died without ever having his American citizenship formally restored. Lee became an American citizen again in 1970.
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/spring/piece-lee.html

Ulysses S. Grant went on to become President of the United States and advocate for the ratification of the 14th Amendment and preside over the ratification of the 15th Amendment.

[STE=Q]

“Let me tell you, I’m a really smart guy. I was a really good student at the best school in the country. The reason I have a little doubt, just a little, is because he grew up and nobody knew him,”

Well, it took a couple of years... but it's "out there" now... and the dam is about ready to brake!

STE=Q

[omegadawn]

My parents were from the south. The history of the south depends on what point of view you take, the Northern view or the Southern view. I choose the south even though I live in a very liberal Northern state. but this is not the tread for us to discuss the civil war even though the path obama is leading us down could someday lead us to a second civil war.

[jamese777]

My parents were from the south. The history of the south depends on what point of view you take, the Northern view or the Southern view. I choose the south even though I live in a very liberal Northern state. but this is not the tread for us to discuss the civil war even though the path obama is leading us down could someday lead us to a second civil war.

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OK.
My only point was to look at secession from the point of view of the members of the legislatures of the states that actually voted to secede; in their own words.

[STE=Q]

Typo #128: brake = break

EEEERRRRR!

STE=Q

[edge919]

But neither the Courts nor Congress seem interested in those details.

You were suggesting that Obama was going to somehow "destroy" his enemies by getting them to go on record and presumably then produce a conclusive birth certificate. I'm only pointing out that such a strategy would fail because of these other factors that are NOT and CANNOT be changed by producing a genuine birth certificate showing birth in Hawaii. I wasn't talking about what the courts or a partisan Congress is or isn't interested in.

[jamese777]

You were suggesting that Obama was going to somehow “destroy” his enemies by getting them to go on record and presumably then produce a conclusive birth certificate. I’m only pointing out that such a strategy would fail because of these other factors that are NOT and CANNOT be changed by producing a genuine birth certificate showing birth in Hawaii. I wasn’t talking about what the courts or a partisan Congress is or isn’t interested in.

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Your word “destroy” is hyperbole. Obama wants 2012 potential presidential candidate opponents on the record regarding his eligibility as a natural born citizen, nothing less, nothing more. That’s why he keeps bringing up the birth in Hawaii issue. The movement is called “birthers” not “parenters!”

Congress could most definitely hold hearings on the original intent of Article II, Section 1 and whether two American citizen parents are required in order to be a natural born citizen.

Can you point to ANY national elected Republican who has ever raised the two citizen parent argument? Every statement, pro or con that I am aware of concerns only Obama’s birth in Hawaii or not.

For example:
“Do you question [Obama’s] faith and citizenship?” Sarah Palin was asked during an onstage interview hosted by the Long Island Association.

“I don’t, and those are distractions. What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”

[edge919]

Your word “destroy” is hyperbole.

This was your word, not mine in post #101: "Enemies destroyed in the Fall of 2012 are much better than enemies destroyed mid-term."

Obama wants 2012 potential presidential candidate opponents on the record regarding his eligibility as a natural born citizen, nothing less, nothing more. That’s why he keeps bringing up the birth in Hawaii issue. The movement is called “birthers” not “parenters!”

The movement is called birthers by desperate and pathetic partisans (no offense) who are trying too hard to marginalize reasonable suspicions about Obama's porous background and lack of legal documentation. Again, if he eventually presents a legal, verifiable birth record, it won't explain away his other problems, no matter how much "birther" whining is done.

[jamese777]

The movement is called birthers by desperate and pathetic partisans (no offense) who are trying too hard to marginalize reasonable suspicions about Obama’s porous background and lack of legal documentation. Again, if he eventually presents a legal, verifiable birth record, it won’t explain away his other problems, no matter how much “birther” whining is done.

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Ah, I see, “desperate and pathetic partisans.” I get it now:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/

[edge919]

Am I supposed to be hunting for something to help you make a point??

[jamese777]

“Am I supposed to be hunting for something to help you make a point??”

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Nope. Just be sure to keep on reading birtherreport.com and that will be “point” enough for me! ;-)

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Okay everyone will stfu when Obama releases his notation of birth on record in Hawaai, college records, law license records,passport records,high school records,grade school records and whether his alias Barry Soetoro is is current legal name.

[jamese777]

Okay everyone will stfu when Obama releases his notation of birth on record in Hawaai, college records, law license records,passport records,high school records,grade school records and whether his alias Barry Soetoro is is current legal name.

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Time will tell whether Barry Soetoro will ever do a late Friday afternoon to miss the news cycle “document drop” at any time before the next election.
If he thinks it’s to his political advantage to release those records, he’ll do it. If he doesn’t, he won’t.

He was able to get 69,456,897 popular votes and 365 Electoral College votes without releasing any of those files.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

See the polls. His when the tide washes upon the shore I'll be there BS speeches have lost their charm. The WH reported before he left that the people of Rio LOVE Obama, So he went there to get his narcissistic fix and even that failed.