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To: butterdezillion

This will be my last response to any Birther who has registered since 2008, because I’m pretty tired of dealing with trolls.

Abercrombie is unable to view the birth certificate, and please comprehend this, because he does not have the authority to. No governor has the right to snoop around the Bureau of Vital Records looking for anyone’s birth cerificate.

Please also comprehend this, the wishing of a Birther does not make the COLB inauthentic and no matter how many times you lie, it does not make it true.

Please also comprehend that the state health director said, ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Please also comprehend that I will not respond to you any further.


235 posted on 02/18/2011 2:22:21 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." Ronald Reagan.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Wow. I’m a troll now. lol.

Lingle said she had her HDOH director look at the BC. If Lingle could do it, so could Abercrombie.

The “state policies and procedures” Fukino referred to allow legally non-valid birth certificates to be stored there just like legally valid ones. And the HDOH has indicated that they cannot disclose the LEGAL STATUS of a particular birth record. IOW, the “original birth certificate” that they have on record could be a kleenex with “I was born here. Barack Obama” and we would never know except through indirect confirmations such as the ones in which the HDOH revealed that Obama’s BC was amended in 2006 and is thus not legally valid.

At this point the HDOH Director has the authority - and indeed the legal DUTY - to disclose whatever they have for Obama, because

1) Fukino’s announcement makes the records on which she based her announcement public, and they MUST be disclosed to anyone who asks to see them.

2) Because Obama claims to have published his COLB, anything on his COLB is public and can be disclosed - which eliminates the excuse the HDOH has tried to use for not disclosing the records.

3) If there is a “scintilla of public interest”, it trumps privacy concerns.

4) According to HDOH Administrative Rules and UIPA, the HDOH is required to disclose to anybody who asks for it a non-certified copy of any abbreviated certificate (COLB).

Those are FIVE legal reasons why Abercrombie could have confirmed AND SEEN any birth certificate or vital record they have for Obama in Hawaii. All his investigation was able to find was something “actually written down” in the State Archive - which is either not a HDOH record at all (in which case the HDOH has NOTHING for Obama at all and has lied, lied, lied in everything they have said), OR is one of the 2 kinds of records authorized to be stored in the State Archive: a 75-year-old Certification of Hawaiian Birth or a registration of foreign birth (neither of which are legally valid for proving a Hawaii birth at this point).

I comprehend that you will not respond any further, and that is fine. It wasn’t as if you were hearing any of the facts I’ve presented anyway. But I’ll put these out there anyway, because there may be some people out there who DO care about the facts.

BTW, the first 3 reasons I gave for why Obama’s records are REQUIRED to be disclosed are all affirmed by the OIP in 2003, in OIP Opinion Letter 03-16 at http://hawaii.gov/oip/opinionletters/opinion%2003-16.pdf , snarkily explained at http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/coach-june-s-jones-iii-hes-more-important-to-the-american-public-than-barrack-whats-his-name/

Those points have already been clarified by the open records watchdog group in Hawaii’s government. This is established policy, and Hawaii’s AG knows it full well. The reason he’s not telling us that is because he wants to hide the fact that Abercrombie’s “investigation” - which he told Mike Evans included legal measures (he called it a search warrant but more likely to be some kind of investigative subpoena by his investigative committee) allowing him to search the hospitals - came up showing AT BEST a registration of foreign birth in the State Archive, which would at least be a legally valid document but would refute the claim of a Hawaii birth.


236 posted on 02/18/2011 2:44:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; butterdezillion; rxsid

You’re not only uninformed, illinformed, and totally wrong, you’re rude to call people trolls who are extremely diligent and talented researchers. And indisputably on our side. Not sure about which side you’re on, though.


240 posted on 02/18/2011 4:03:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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