I’m talking about stuff like subliminals, hypnosis, microwave voice stuff, etc. My understanding is that there are technologies which allow voices to be in a person’s mind, chips implanted in the brain to allow remote control of a person, etc.
Any person who is found out is immediately thought to be schizo because the techniques control people in ways that mimic schizophrenia, which is what allows them to hide when these technologies are used for things like assassinations. But some of the information about these programs and technologies have had to be revealed because of FOIA requests.
What Loughner had on his web page utilized some of the techniques of mind control, according to people who say they’ve had experience with that kind of technology. We know that rapid images on videos and video games can change the brain function so that a person watching it has seizures. That’s the kind of stuff that can be used in psychological warfare, and I’m sure there are other applications for that kind of thing too.
Here’s a starting place http://www.mindjustice.org
A specific page that lists the symptoms, technologies, and status of the evidence for its existence is at http://www.mindjustice.org/symptoms.htm .
I haven’t researched this in-depth but if the listed quotes are accurate there’s a lot more going on with our government than we know or probably would be comfortable with.
It is interesting to me that out of that group of people in Tucson to “see” Giffords, there were 2 liberal-leaning folks who were into mind control techniques - Loughner and the guy who was interested in hypnosis. Both of them known by the military but not actually in the military. IIRC, not too far from Tucson is one of the places where the military does psychological studies; if you read the link I provided you’ll see that a lot of these mind control techniques are being developed for military uses - including possibly the ability to accurately kill designated targets.
When I lived in Colorado someone in the church who I respected was a PhD at the local college. His area of research was subliminal messaging, and he told me stories of the studies he had conducted. He had no doubts about the ability of subliminals to impact human behavior. He actually spoke to our youth group about the need to be careful about what we expose ourselves to because things can be introduced into our subconscious without us knowing or being able to effectively counter them.
In general I do believe, as you do, that a person is responsible for their own mind and actions. But I believe there are technologies that can mess with our physical brain and can impact us just as drugs that mess with our brains can impact us. Just as radio waves are all around us without our being able to notice it unless we have a radio that is tuned to that frequency, I believe it is very possible that there could be microwaves, electromagnetic waves, etc that are all around us and impacting us subconsciously - and that could be aimed specifically at us through satellite precision guidance. At least it seems to me that this is what those quotes in the link were all about.
If those allegations are true regarding ways that a person’s mind can be manipulated without their consent, mimicking schizophrenia so anybody who reports the symptoms would be diagnosed as schizophrenic, then it is very possible and even likely that those techniques are practiced and/or tested on people who are already considered fringe, already involved in drugs which could be blamed for behaviors, etc. And of course they wouldn’t disclose that in a FOIA request. The idea of a “Manchurian candidate” is not unthinkable, given the technologies.
This is going out on a limb a bit, but I remember hearing a scientist on the radio probably 7 years ago talking about cloning and robotics, saying that basically the goal is to be able to create spare body parts so that a person could be “repaired” when a part wears out - including the brain, which could actually have implanted memory chips so that all the memory of a lifetime could be transferred from a mature brain to a fresh, healthy brain that would be transplanted and allow the person to continue on for another lifetime’s worth without having to start over on knowledge or memory. The idea was to fuse cloning technology with computer technology to come up with the ability to live forever.
I have no idea how those goals or plans are progressing, and to be quite frank it scares the heck out of me, but when a person realizes that this is where the science is going, the issue of potential remote mind control doesn’t seem quite as far-fetched as it otherwise would.
I don’t like thinking about this. It’s scary to me. I want the world to be normal, where I can know what is true and what isn’t just by using my eyes and ears. As much as possible that’s how I live. But I am aware that science doesn’t stop just because I’m uncomfortable with it, and wherever technology is developed for a good purpose it can be corrupted to be used for bad purposes depending on who is controlling it.
It’s a scary world. I’m glad I have the Lord watching out for me, because I’m not strong enough to face it on my own.
That’s all interesting, and messaging of various sorts just at the edge of conscious awareness is real. Look at the hidden 3-D images that were a fad a few years ago as one demonstration.
Moreover people, and animals, are seemingly wired to follow the examples of others. We are malleable, trainable, can be educated. Propaganda, cult indoctrination, gang initiation, cult de-programming, medical hypnosis, visualization to improve athletic performance — all of these are real. Effective cheerleading can result in a mediocre team beating a team far better.
All of that is influence. We can’t control the minds of others, beyond that influence. Like you I’ve considered the matter. I also interacted closely with people who had some form of insanity and tried to return them to sanity. By sheer outside influence, only very temporary “mind control” can be done — and then that’s just getting their wildly roving minds to be “herded” to a more rational and peaceful part of themselves. Like the old and proven peaceful asylum in a park-like setting. And I’ve seen con-men in action up close.
If there were reliable techniques available they would be being used on animals — like for example the radio waves, or the “implants”. Yes, technologists have been able to control insects and small animals with implants, but only very simple and gross motions.
And look at the “implants” we do have. Hearing and sight! They only present to the mind as images of sound and light — they do not control thought. It is extremely unlikely that such thought devices as we see in science fiction and fantasy stories do not exist!
Sure there is perennial military, political, and marketing interest in such endeavors, and because of such interest there’s always going to be con-men and charlatans preaching magical abilities that do not exist.
As I have gotten older I’ve come to rely more on the truth as derived from the well-understood and well-explained Holy Scriptures — equal to and besting science — and there is (as far as I know) no “mind control” of the extent that might be imagined as to some theory that a cabal of bad actors ‘programmed’ the Tuscon killer. Science is a great tool of mankind’s invention, enlightening practical wisdom-wise, uplifting, improving. But not any more perfect than men are.
Such a level of mind-control to cause the insane young man to kill a conservative Judge and only nearly kill a liberal Senator is far beyond any level of science we know of today.