Posted on 11/14/2010 9:14:48 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
My rant:
"This is not an airplane, You can tell from the plume. In 40 years I never saw a jet fighter create that kind of plume" says the retired three star Lieutenant General Tom McInerney.
And I agree with him.
"I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft."
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What’s your best guess on this?
Like the guy who told me yesterday that he could speak from authority because he lived near an airport?
:)
Would China be that reckless? I would suspect N. Korea first, if it’s a missile (and the evidence seems to point in that direction).
A notam was published the day before concerning no fly overs. My guess its a US launch, or a permitted launch by a foreign power. The US knew about it in advance.
Right now my best guess is a permitted launch by a foreign power.China or Russia.
I t “matters” that there was an unattributed missile launch just off the L.A. coast.
It matters more that the Feds would work so hard to dismiss it.
I see a conspiracy in that !
But why?
Whats this you people crap ?
Remember, Obama is in START negotiations, and maybe Obama suggested that our military have a look at what their equipment can do.
Obama wants us to remove a strategic capability to respond overwhelmingly aganst an Iran nuclear strike on Israel.He wants to remove that capability from China the Soviets, not just the USA. Thats what his START negotiations are ALL about, IMHO.
There also likely was a launch off our east coast with a splash into the Pacific. The West coast launch likely splashed into the Atlantic.
If nothng else, we now have an accurate profile of their missile, and its associated telemetry ( nav hardware capability given to the Chinese by Clinton).
Thats my best guess.
Sky gets black at that height though ~ disconcerting to the uninitiated I've heard.
The claim is the helicopter took the pictures about 35 miles from the "blast off", so that would mean he was at less than 1500 ft in altitude (for a 35 mile horizon), or he was at 1500 ft., with the 42 mile distant horizon, and that'd mean the distance from the "blast off" to the horizon was about 7 miles.
Then, we have the picture ~ and in that picture we notice that the Sun has already set in the immediate zone of the helicopter but it's still shining above (lighting up the contrail or "exhaust"). In fact, it's lighting up the control for the whole visible length so that means we are looking at a film made some time between about 5 PM and 5:15 PM or so.
As the film runs you can see the light/dark zone move along the cross-section of the contrail ~ it's subtle, but it's there. Since you can't quite see the "blast zone" of the "launch" at the surface, you need to compute that cross section in that contrail ~ which, if coming from a rocket arrived in that location just seconds before ~ not minutes in the case of a contrail from an airplane (which travels at only a fraction of the speed of a missile).
That cross-section there in the part not yet blown by wind is your baseline for the MINIMUM SIZE of the exhaust blast.
With the camera taking in what seems to be about 120 degrees, you'll find that the apparent size is 6 degrees about half way between where the "missile" might be and it's launch point.
A quick computation will reveal that exhaust blast to be about 3300 ft wide!
Well, to say the least, that's an incredibly large exhaust!
Let's assume errors were made in estimating the distance, and take that back to 2 degrees at launch ~ with the largest exhaust blast being 3300 ft wide at takeoff.
Still gives us a huge rocket ~ quite possibly the largest one in history ~ BIGGER EVEN than the space ships in "Independence Day", or the craft flown in by the folks in "V"!
When you do the analysis assuming it could be an airplane, you understand that the contails could be well over a hundred miles away at the furthest (coming up over the curve of the Earth ~ which is round), and wind could easily blow those ice crystals enough so they reflect an awful lot of red light from the Sun ~ PLUS ~ very important ~ the atmosphere has a lensing effect where it magnifies things on the horizon as seen through 40 or 60 miles of atmosphere ~ accounting for magnification the contrail seems pretty normal for a jet at 37,000 miles coming toward us from Hawaii.
You don't like the UFO idea at all but you buy off on the idea of this being either a GIGANTIC ROCKET of a size never before seen on this planet, or just a UPS plane.
How utterly absurd!
Why is that a surprise. No noats or aircraft were iin the immediate vicinity of the launch, they were warned away by a surface and air NOTAM. .You can see it on several of the other threads.
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A Notam was put out for that area for 20:00 yesterday.
NOTAM for LA. KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 – THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE – FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010
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I think so too. Both statements!
I don’t even get into this with the “it was a missile” cult any more. I’m with you on this too. If this had actually been a missile, forget all the similarities with other flight 808 contrails and other evidence against it. One can just focus on all the other eyewitness accounts from people that were a LOT closer to the “launch” than the helicopter camera man.
They must all be being held in a secret government bunker under the ocean somewhere. ;)
Oh come on!! We have retired military authorities who say unequivocally that ths was a missile. Amd for effs sake, this exhaust was not contrail, it shows that the oxidizing agent was on board the craft. It could not have been an air fuel mixture.It was oxidixer/fuel that created that contrail.You ,might as well be sayinng that missile plume was Uranus.
It was a sub launched ICBM missile, and it was a known launch:
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A Notam was put out for that area for 20:00 yesterday.
NOTAM for LA. KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 – THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE – FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010
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And it likely was a foreign missile demo arranged by the Obamaster as part of his START treaty negotiations.He doesn;t give a sweet effif it scares America, all the more reason to cow the US public into supporting his START negotiations. Obama is a fascist you know. Thats how fascists act.
WAKE UP!!!!!
Oh man i thought you were dissing us Gays for long missiles
Yup, they’re retired for a reason.
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