Posted on 11/06/2010 11:16:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
MIAMI GARDENS, FLA. -- Continuing to show Rubio is just too extreme for Florida, the Kendrick Meek campaign released a new slide to its "Too Extreme for Florida" website that highlights Rubio's assertion that he doesn't know if President Obama is a citizen of the United States.
Last year, when Rubio was asked if he thought President Obama's birth certificate was fake when speaking in front of a Tea Party crowd, Rubio replied, "I don't know the answer to that."
Rubio declines to say whether President Obama is a U.S. citizen. In a profile in the Miami Herald, "[Rubio] declines to venture an opinion on President Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship. 'I don't know the answer to that,' Rubio equivocated when asked at the GOP women's club whether the president's birth certificate is valid. Rubio's response signals that he's moved farther to the right since term limits forced him out of the Florida House last year though he said during the trip, 'I won't change who I am to get elected.'" (Miami Herald, "Marco Rubio Warming Up Panhandle Voters",11/2/09 )
Well one of his first executive orders was to seal paper work on his school history. That should have been a clue to all the deniers.
If that is the case, then those media outlets are not reputable. If they are slandering people for just asking for general information, they are not news worthy organizations, but propaganda arms.
They took their inheritance for granted. They through it away
Just as the children of Israel in the Old Testament, we have eaten of the “Fattened Calf” much to long, I’m afraid ?
Re: “The COLB put out by Team Obama, even if it is legitimate, doesn’t answer that question, one way or the other.”
Janice Okubo, the Communications Officer for the Hawaii Department of Health, acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
http://theobamafile.com/_exhibits/HawaiiDenies.mht
Without an address, To call him an NBC would be foolish.
My point is that any birth certificate is irrelevant to the constitutional question about what the Framers meant by ‘natural born citizen.’ The COLB and long form are both irrelevant.
All the attention paid to them is only a diversion, as is the red herring about whether Obama is a citizen or not. And, I am damned sick and tired of folks saying the interpretation of ‘natural born’ is too complicated for Americans to understand. It is not. Unfortunately, the diversion away from the actual question has been successful.
But if they were made of blue cheese, would they be eligible or not?
Musn't one be roquefort to qualify for eligibility?
Emerich de Vattel, the well respected 18th century Swiss dairy farmer, writing in his masterpiece, "The Cheese of Nations", makes it clear that only a sheep "of the soil" can produce eligible roquefort. An imported sheep can only produce "blue cheese", also known as "bleu". Both perfectly fine cheeses, but neither eligible.
I completely agree with your POV.
It’s always been about the distractions, as evidenced by the Obots on this forum.
They’ve written a million words of smoke.
It’s really simple — ALL persons ineligible for the presidency have at least one first generation tie to a foreign nation, whereas no natural born citizens ever do.
Cartoon character from the 1965 series Jonny Quest, the bodyguard of Dr. Benton Quest and his son, Jonny, to be exact. :)
what’s not true about Obama?
Just because I remember something from 30 years ago doens’t make it false.
the whole story was written to satisfy a request that I document people I met in the Marines, I did it for an English Comp professor a year ago
I stand by the story.
Too bad none of my friends actualy went back with me to show him the pictures, then I wwould have witnesses.
Here you can do some quick research for yourself: other search results for order 13489
“You’re going to have to provide a source for that. These claims just get progressively more insane.””
Instead of going around suggesting someone must be insane, why don’t you just check the facts. Unclassified executive orders are available from the Whitehouse Website.
Executive Order — Presidential Records
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) “Archivist” refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee.
(b) “NARA” refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.
(c) “Presidential Records Act” refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
(d) “NARA regulations” refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
(e) “Presidential records” refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.
(f) “Former President” refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
(g) A “substantial question of executive privilege” exists if NARA’s disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.
(h) A “final court order” is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records.
(a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
(b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.
Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President.
(a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.
(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.
(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.
(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.
Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President.
(a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist’s determination as to whether to honor the former President’s claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist’s determination with respect to the former President’s claim of privilege.
(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
Sec. 5. General Provisions.
(a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 21, 2009
Thank you both for providing something that seems substantial. I will look into this. It’s quite refreshing after seeing this forum buried in what I have mostly found to be extremely tenuous claims.
Which is why the birth question is the right question, and birthers are absolutely on the right track. As the old bomber pilot would say, "If you're getting flack, you're on target."
In a way, you most certainly did acuse me of lying
However, I am sympathetic to people’s concerns over whether he said it
He, who ever I met, I honestly dont remember the guys name but do remember that smile and face, said it.
Just show me ANY other guy who was born in Mombassa, raised in Indonesia, lives in Hawaii in 1980 with people other than his parents with a Black father and a White mother who was not Obama...then you might have a case.
Can you prove to me he was in Occidental College at all?
Can you PROVE to me he was in California in mid August of 1980?
Seems to me, YOU are lacking in more facts than I can present.
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