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Juan Williams and President Obama’s grandmother
Big Bureaucracy ^ | October 21st, 2010 | Ellie Velinska

Posted on 10/21/2010 10:13:12 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy

'Mom, look: ghosts!' - screamed my little boy when he was four on a playground pointing at few mothers dressed in traditional Islamic outfits.

I guess he will never work for the National Public Radio. NPR fired Juan Williams, liberal journalist and commentator, over the following remark made on O’Reilly Factor:

'I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country, but when I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they're identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous'.
The NPR shouldn’t have disowned Juan Williams whose remark fell into the category of President Obama’s grandmother:
'I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.'

We should be able to discuss honestly our struggles with stereotypes without being afraid of losing our job. If we keep hiding the truth the solutions for our problems will be based on lies and most likely will not work.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: billoreilly; fired; juanwilliams; mikehuckabee; myblog; npr; obamasgrandmother
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To: wagglebee

I never said our policy should be based on European policy - wise up.

I stated the fact that our troops serve with the openly gay NATO troops.

You want to ban gays from the military - it doesn’t mean that you are advocating the USA to go the Albanian way.

Don’t call me leftist, because it is insulting. I fought communists and socialists all my life. I was on the streets bringing the change in Eastern Europe. You want to ban me from FR for expressing an opinion - it is very disappointing to get such treatment from fellow conservative.

DADT should be repealed and the US military has to decide what to do with the gays. I am not pushing gays out or in. I am advocating honesty and honest way to deal with the issue, not encouraging DADT liberal BS.

My post has nothing to do with the gays in the military - it is you who are pushing this discussion.


101 posted on 10/22/2010 8:00:55 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: little jeremiah

‘gay’ is short and convenient.

Feel free to make a thread about the NATO gays - this thread is not about gays in the military.


102 posted on 10/22/2010 8:04:05 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; xzins; ...
I never said our policy should be based on European policy - wise up.

Here is what you said in post #22:

Homosexuals should be evaluated like everybody else - they apply honestly if found able to serve - they serve - if found not able - not serve.

That is YOU saying that YOU think homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the United States Armed Forces

You want to ban gays from the military - it doesn’t mean that you are advocating the USA to go the Albanian way.

Why do YOU keep bringing up what the Europeans do? I don't give a damn what they do, this is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and we don't make policy based on what other countries want.

Yes, as a conservative, I believe that homosexuals should be BANNED from serving in the US military, that is the CONSERVATIVE POSITION.

Don’t call me leftist, because it is insulting.

Then don't take leftist positions.

I fought communists and socialists all my life.

Me too.

You want to ban me from FR for expressing an opinion - it is very disappointing to get such treatment from fellow conservative.

Back to the free speech issue again I see. Leftists ALWAYS think that free speech means they should be allowed to say whatever they want, wherever they want and whenever they want -- you are no different.

Yes, I want leftists who push the militant homosexual agenda banned from FR, that's hardly a secret.

103 posted on 10/22/2010 8:13:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

Threads on FR are about whatever the posters want to talk about. And you’re the one that brought up our military serving with open homosexuals in NATO as though that was fine and dandy.

“Gay” is propaganda-speak.


104 posted on 10/22/2010 8:28:39 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Big Bureaucracy
the US military has to decide what to do with the gays.

If it were up to the military they'd repeal DADT and go back to "ask and show 'em the door". Unfortunately it's the leftist freaks in Congress and the scum in the White House, and a Judge Gone Wild, who are shoving the crap down the military's throats.

105 posted on 10/22/2010 8:31:21 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

‘Threads on FR are about whatever the posters want to talk about.’

I would like to talk about Juan Williams being fired from the NPR. Can you honor that?


106 posted on 10/22/2010 8:40:58 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy

Oh, so YOU get to decide, and no one else does.

Do you even read what you write?


107 posted on 10/22/2010 8:43:20 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

‘Unfortunately it’s the leftist freaks in Congress and the scum in the White House, and a Judge Gone Wild, who are shoving the crap down the military’s throats.’

I agree with you. DADT is a fine example of the leftists in Congress making things worst.


108 posted on 10/22/2010 8:44:44 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: little jeremiah

First you say that the poster has to decide and then when I ask you not to hijack the thread - you insult me?


109 posted on 10/22/2010 8:48:27 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; xzins; ...
I agree with you. DADT is a fine example of the leftists in Congress making things worst.

No troll, you DO NOT agree with us.

YOU want to repeal DADT and have sodomites openly serving in the United States Armed Forces. This position is evidenced by this statement that you made in post #22:

Homosexuals should be evaluated like everybody else - they apply honestly if found able to serve - they serve - if found not able - not serve.

Conservatives (that means us, not you) want DADT repealed so that the United States Military can return to its pre-sodomized state.

110 posted on 10/22/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

‘Yes, I want leftists who push the militant homosexual agenda banned from FR, that’s hardly a secret.’

You are the one who is pushing the leftist DADT crap to stay in place.


111 posted on 10/22/2010 8:53:01 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy

You are saying that you alone get to decide what is discussed on the thread.

I’m starting to think you are just crazy.


112 posted on 10/22/2010 8:56:18 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: wagglebee

‘YOU want to repeal DADT and have sodomites openly serving in the United States Armed Forces’

Wrong, I want to repeal DADT and let the military decide what is the best policy for them.

Whatever they decide is fine with me.


113 posted on 10/22/2010 8:56:27 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: little jeremiah

‘I’m starting to think you are just crazy.’

I’m starting to think that you are here just to insult me.


114 posted on 10/22/2010 8:58:02 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy

If you’re fine with open homosexuals in the military than you must be aware that that is a leftist, non-conservative position.

You also ignored my comment above that unfortunately the military does not get to decide about DADT, repeal or otherwise. The leftist scum in Congress and the White House and one Judge Gone Wild decide.

You are messing with people here and it is not pretty.


115 posted on 10/22/2010 8:58:37 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Big Bureaucracy; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; xzins; ...
You are the one who is pushing the leftist DADT crap to stay in place.

Screw you!

You are either one of the stupidest trolls to ever come on here or you are a lying piece of crap.

Here is what YOU wrote in post #22:

Homosexuals should be evaluated like everybody else - they apply honestly if found able to serve - they serve - if found not able - not serve.

Do you think that pretending you didn't write this will some how make it true.

I want DADT repealed and then I want all of the sodomites expelled from the military and never allowed back in again.

116 posted on 10/22/2010 9:00:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

You are insulted because you and you alone don’t get to determine the topic of the discussion.

You ignore what other people say and continue as though no counter arguments were made.

You continue being “fine” with open homosexuals in the military.

I rest my case.


117 posted on 10/22/2010 9:00:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

‘You ignore what other people say’

I am respectfully trying to respond to everybody. I am not ignoring anybody.

I trust the military - if they decide gays should be banned - fine with me. If they decide the opposite - fine with me.


118 posted on 10/22/2010 9:05:05 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: little jeremiah; Big Bureaucracy; manc
You are insulted because you and you alone don’t get to determine the topic of the discussion.

BB made herself a target in post #5 when she wrote this:

I am very conservative,

119 posted on 10/22/2010 9:06:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

‘Screw you!’

You are here to insult me.
I am not a troll. I am conservative and proud of it.

DADT is tolerating gay serving secretly in the military.

They should be openly banned or openly accepted - decision that should be up to the military. You don’t trust the military with such decision?


120 posted on 10/22/2010 9:09:41 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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