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To: jamese777; butterdezillion

I can’t blame you for not trusting the anonymous person on the internet. But in this case, you are free and welcome to email Okubo, Fukino and Joesting yourself and ask if they denied my request in it’s entirety citing HRS 338-18 as I detailed to you earlier, late last summer.

(chiyome.fukino@doh.hawaii.gov; Janice.S.Okubo@hawaii.gov; oip@hawaii.gov [ATTN: Linden Joesting])

I personally think that Lakin could EASILY show he has a ‘tangible interest’ in obtaining Obama’s BC.

If he has not filed his own UIPA request, citing the chain of command. He should give it a try and file the automatic court appeal if they deny that request. Everyone who gets denied records under UIPA can immediately take it to court where a judge would automatically view Obama’s vital records in camera (behind closed doors.) At the very least, we know for certain that at least one judge will have laid eyes on it. And Lakin will have been in front of a judge that will know if Obama is qualified or not to ask Lakin to deploy.

Sometimes, I think these lawyers are leading their military clients away from trying this free, simple easy path that is at least a guarantee to be heard in courts if denied.

BTW, I once asked the OIP if Orly had ever filed a UIPA request. They said, no.

BDZ—
The military should be requesting his records directly. If you have any way to speak with his attorneys you should pass it on. Better yet, Lakin should just request without even going through his lawyers.

Surely the military at make an excellent case for ‘tangible interest’ when being asked to deploy.

***READ THIS PORTION FROM THE FULL TEXT OF THE PRECEDENT RULING THAT DEFINED HAWAII’S ‘TANGIBLE INTEREST’:

“Those who don’t stand in the relationship to the registrant required by section 338-18(b), Hawaii Revised Statutes, may inspect a particular vital statistic record if the DOH is satisfied that the information is “necessary for the determination of personal or property rights.”

My God, why does it appear that no deploying military have filed a UIPA request?

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:EqOmX2_Y4S8J:hawaii.gov/oip/opinionletters/opinion%252090-23.pdf+definition+%22tangible+interest%22+hawaii&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgIuNLE8YJZlyDI6vSJ5z4c-Htl29mfgyR-ux77P_lMTcHsI27-VUrvGozRX0-doJoaNO9PJjfI8UN9cJOgIii-HKGF0eceAjwvtx8rloknkB1qXwD6wT5piU0KInIiyCI5uX3R&sig=AHIEtbSYG2T0WLBLGPX19cbXAamtEPCcWw


342 posted on 09/12/2010 4:42:49 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

The snag with that is that they can get a copy if the HDOH is satisfied that it is necessary to determine property or other rights.

The HDOH will never be satisfied. As long as they are the gate-keepers of the records nothing will ever be good enough.

You gave them the argument that both yourself and Obama himself could be in jeopardy because of the issue being unresolved. Didn’t budge them an inch.

I have sent a cease and desist letter to them because they keep addressing me by my last name even though I have only called myself “Nellie”. They get my last name from looking at my e-mail account information, and then they address me by that, which means that they converted the alias that I used (just “Nellie”) into a first and last name which they then disclose to people who ask to see my requests. They are forcing my real identity to be used even though I gave an alias.

In my cease and desist letter I noted that I have received threats and it would not be well for their office if somebody was able to make good on their threats because the HDOH illegally disclosed my real identity when I had chosen to use an alias.

Do you suppose they will give one extra moment’s thought to my safety? I told them to take out their references to my last name in all their responses to me. Any bets as to whether they will do it?

As long as an issue is left to their discretion - such as whether somebody could be endangered - they will take the easy road and do whatever serves their office the best.

I’ve become cynical because of what I’ve seen these people do. They can’t be trusted.

It can’t hurt to try, I suppose. But I think we already know what their response will be, based on how they’ve acted towards us.


363 posted on 09/12/2010 8:30:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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