Their slaves weren't men or people so of course they couldn't govern themselves, right? - sarc.
BS!
gjmerits
Since Aug 10, 2010
Uh. wow. Talk about not understanding. Lincoln was asserting that should the union not be preserved, the divided country could not survive... the same argument made by the founding fathers when they chose the Gadsden (”teaparty”) flag: United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
Nice article; thanks.
Barf time right from the first sentence.
Welcome Neo Confederate. You will find many such find minds here on FR.
So as you fight the fight that has been fought here so many times before, and lost just as surely as you are doing so now, let me give you a cut and paste from my home page:
“The civil war was about slavery. Sorry. The Confederacy was based on it and so was the Southern economy. You cannot rewrite history no matter how much you want to. This effort started at the end of the war and I was shocked to find it still going on today. So for this pathetic revisionism, that rears its ugly head here occasionally, I will enshrine the following from the message to the Confederate Congress April 29th 1861 from Jefferson Davis:
“As soon as the Northern States that prohibited African slavery within their limits had reached a number sufficient to give their representation a controlling voice in the Congress, a persistent and organized system of hostile measures against the rights of the owners of slaves in the Southern States was inaugurated and gradually extended. A continuous series of measures was devised and prosecuted for the purpose of rendering insecure the tenure of property in slaves... Senators and Representatives were sent to the common councils of the nation, whose chief title to this distinction consisted in the display of a spirit of ultra-fanaticism and whose business was... to awaken the bitterest hatred against the citizens of sister states, by violent denunciation of their institutions; the transaction of public affairs was impeded by repeated efforts to usurp pairing the security of property in slaves, and reducing those States which held slaves to a condition of inferiority. Finally a great party was organized for the purpose of obtaining the administration of the Government, which the avowed object of using its power for the total exclusion of the slave States from all participation in the benefits of the public domain acquired by all the States in common, whether by conquest or purchase; of surrounding them entirely by States in which slavery should be prohibited; of thus rendering the property in slaves so insecure as to be comparatively worthless, and thereby annihilating in effect property worth thousands of millions of dollars. This party, thus organized, succeeded in the month of November last in the election of its candidate for the Presidency of the United States. In the meantime the African slaves had augmented in number from about 600,000 at the date of the adoption of the constitutional compact to upward of 4,000,000. In moral and social condition they had been elevated from brutal savages into docile, intelligent, and civilized agricultural laborers, and supplied not only with bodily comforts but with careful religious instruction. Under the supervision of a superior race, their labor had been so directed as not only to allow a gradual and marked amelioration of their own condition, but to convert hundreds of thousands of square miles of the wilderness into cultivated lands covered with a prosperous people; towns and cities had sprung into existence, and had rapidly increased in wealth and population under the social system of the South;... and the productions in the South of cotton, rice, sugar, and tobacco, for the full development and continuance of which the labor of African slaves was and is indispensable had swollen to an amount which formed nearly three-fourths of the exports of the whole United States and had become absolutely necessary to the wants of civilized man. With interests of such overwhelming magnitude imperiled, the people of the Southern States were driven by the conduct of the North to the adoption of some course of action to avert the danger with which they were openly menaced.”
This next quote comes from a speech in Savannah on March 21st 1861 by Alexander Stephens, VP of the Confederacy.
“The (Confederate) Constitution has put at rest forever the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions- African slavery as it exists among us- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away...Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it- when the “Storm came and the wind blew, it fell.” Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth......It is the first government ever instituted upon principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many Governments have been founded upon the principles of certain classes; but the classes thus enslaved were of the same race, and in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature’s laws. The negro by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect in the construction of buildings lays the foundation with the proper material- the granite- then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is the best, not only for the superior but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed in conformity with the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances or to question them.”
Oddly enough, whenever these two speeches are reproduced and posted the discussion stops dead in its tracks. A separate and equally discredited proposition put forward is that the South fought for “State’s Rights” and not slavery. Well, I will not post it here, but anyone can Google it. Just enter: “Confederate Constitution text” and read the results. The Confederacy reproduced the U.S. Constitution almost exactly except for a minor change in how the president was elected, and the major changes of giving Constitutional protections for slavery. That’s right; they reproduced exactly the hated federal system right down to the suspension of habeas Corpus in times of rebellion. So that argument is completely discredited from the start. Yet it is still made as people try and change history for emotional reasons. But history is history and it doesn’t change.”
Don’t worry, you don’t have to change your mind. Even if you could. No self respecting Neo Confederate would dare abandon the dream that was Dixie for the hard truths of reality. So enjoy the fantasy of revisionism and don’t let the naysayers pierce the fog of pretending.
That's really funny since the Confederate Constitution specified the following:
"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."
It would seem that the Confederates only fought for the white folks in their country.
It was the Confederates who were in violation of the Constitution.
And this brings us to what we have now.... a constant battle with the Feds over states rights and the ability of the FedGov to usurp the Constitution for the good of the few. (namely themselves)
Texas was allowed to secede from Mexico but was not allowed to secede from the U.S.
Lincoln was a tyrant, his own words and actions prove it.
You can say the “Civil War” was about slavery all you like but the fact remains Nether the Union soldiers nor Lincoln himself had any intention of ending slavery as the objective the war.
Instead they said over and over again that their sole objective was to “preserve and restore the union” by force of arms, rather then respecting the right of the people to govern themselves.
What they did by their own admission was in-itself on face value exactly the same thing the British did against the 13 colonies in the American revolution.
Lincoln was every bit as much a Tyrant as King George, in many ways worse. Because not only was Lincoln betraying the basic rights of his country as proclaimed and demonstrated in the American declaration of independents, as even he understood!
“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and their own, of so much territory as they inhabit.” - A. Lincoln, 1848
He justified his actions on the ground of the necessity of his own maintaining power. He actually calmed that the Government could not exist unless it oppressed the people never bothering to recognized that the very reason we have a constitution is to protect the people from governments doing Just this!
Lincoln Squashed free speech(closing down opposition news papers for highlighting his contradictions), suspected the right to habeas corpus with out Congressional authorization(Authorization congress refused to give him when asked), even going so far as attempting to jail Federal Judges that called him out on it.
Lincoln was a Boniface tyrant from almost ever aspect of the term. He wasn’t just waging war upon the south he was waging war upon American’s right to govern themselves as the true origin of Sovereignty.
There is a reason the victors writing the history focused on the moral issue of slavery. That was the one moral evil which the south uniformly shared among itself, and perhaps led to the actual act of secession. But it was not the evil that led to the war, the evil that led to the war was the greed for power and control, that drove the Lincoln fight that basic inalienable right of the people to self-determination.
Let there be not doubt, let the truth be reviled by light of fair judgment of the actions of men not their words. Lincoln was indeed a tyrant.
Hmm, seems to me that the Confederacy was a demonic, racist government bent on enslaving people (to quote David) "FOREVER." But wait . . . it gets better (worse?): Richard Bensel, a Libertarian political scientist, compared the wartime Union under the hated Lincoln and the Confederacy, that bastion of rights and liberties, and found that . . . Ta DAAA: in over 150 specific areas, including taxes, confiscation, violations of habeaus corpus, judicial review, and others, the Confederacy permitted FEWER civil rights for whites and engaged in far more civil rights violations . . . again, for whites.
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