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Lincoln And The Death Of The Constitution
Wolves of Liberty ^ | 9/7/2010 | gjmerits

Posted on 09/07/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by gjmerits

The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination - that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.

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TOPICS: Education; Politics
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; lincoln; sicsempertyrannis; statesrights; tyranny
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To: cowboyway
NS is a staunch believer in 'might makes right'.

Cowboyway is a staunch believe in 'the loser is always right'. God save the King, old boy?

721 posted on 09/20/2010 7:17:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
A typical NS non-answer.

To a typically moronic cowboyway question. Might doesn't always make right, I said that. But in the case of the Southern rebellion the right side also happened to be the mightier side.

What Southern rebellion?

The one from 1861 to 1865. It was in all the papers.

722 posted on 09/20/2010 7:25:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
A typical NS non-answer.

To a typically moronic cowboyway question. Might doesn't always make right, I said that. But in the case of the Southern rebellion the right side also happened to be the mightier side.

What Southern rebellion?

The one from 1861 to 1865. It was in all the papers.

723 posted on 09/20/2010 7:25:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
A typical NS non-answer.

To a typically moronic cowboyway question. Might doesn't always make right, I said that. But in the case of the Southern rebellion the right side also happened to be the mightier side.

What Southern rebellion?

The one from 1861 to 1865. It was in all the papers.

724 posted on 09/20/2010 7:25:13 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Cowboyway is a staunch believe in 'the loser is always right'.

Cowboyway is a staunch believer in the God given rights of liberty and freedom to choose ones own destiny, as you, obviously, are not.

Free Dixie!

725 posted on 09/20/2010 9:04:15 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Non-Sequitur
It was in all the papers.

Triple tap! (722, 723 & 724)

Have I hit a nerve?

726 posted on 09/20/2010 9:06:28 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Chief Justice Chase did disagree with Lincoln's position that states could not secede under any circumstances when he said that it was possible with the consent of the states.

And a person whose house is being ransacked by robbers may escape with the consent of the robbers.

Decency and your hypocritical self-interest agree: put on your burglar's mask; your flagrancy is too naked.

727 posted on 09/20/2010 9:24:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Neoliberalnot
Lincoln was the worst president ever for the lives he cost on both sides. God rest their souls.

When measuring the legacy of a politician, the body count is a pretty reliable tell. A leadership failure index, if you will.

"Atop a mountain of skulls, I ruled from a throne of blood!" is a FAIL tag. Unless you are a rancorous pogrom-minded sectionalist like some of our posters here. Then high mortality causes you to rub your palms together gleefully and murmur, "Good, goood, goood Master Vigo! More, more!"

728 posted on 09/20/2010 9:40:05 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: cowboyway
Have I hit a nerve?

Perhaps, but you've definitely hit a nerd.

I sometimes think of him like the "Janosc Poha" character in Ghostbusters II: "Master, may I have the woman?" </crawl off, /snivel off, /drool off> Like that.

729 posted on 09/20/2010 9:45:16 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: cowboyway
Cowboyway is a staunch believer in the God given rights of liberty and freedom to choose ones own destiny, as you, obviously, are not.

For about 2/3rds of your confederate population anyway. Who shall be left off your list in your Dixie 2.0?

730 posted on 09/20/2010 9:47:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
Have I hit a nerve?

Not unless you hit the server.

731 posted on 09/20/2010 9:49:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
And a person whose house is being ransacked by robbers may escape with the consent of the robbers.

An odd analogy considering your confederacy walked away from debts and obligations and stole everything that wasn't nailed down. But also inappropriate in this context.

732 posted on 09/20/2010 9:51:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
For about 2/3rds of your confederate population anyway. Who shall be left off your list in your Dixie 2.0?

You and the coven for sure. But, in reality, there won't be any need to exclude you from Dixie 2.0 since you'll be standing shoulder to shoulder with obama to preserve the state, er, union.

733 posted on 09/20/2010 11:02:23 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Thank you for the delayed response. Life is always easier for those who make the lesser sacrifice.


734 posted on 09/20/2010 11:30:32 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Non-Sequitur
An odd analogy considering your confederacy walked away from debts and obligations and stole everything that wasn't nailed down.

You're confused. Again.

It was your statist union that plundered the South.

735 posted on 09/20/2010 11:32:15 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I would refer you to Mark Neeley's works on the subject [of civil liberties], both North and South.

Yeah, and I'd refer everybody to Josef Goebbels on the subject of National Socialism. It's so poorly understood.

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Mark Neely wrote a book stoutly defending Lincoln on the grounds that Lincoln had a war to fight, and then he sorta forgot about those same exigencies when he then wrote a book slagging Jeff Davis and the Confederacy.

Neely's a partisan poltroon. And you're a Judas goat, if not Judas himself, when you direct people to Neely.

736 posted on 09/20/2010 11:34:00 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: rustbucket; x
While Lincoln might not have endorsed those Helper Book statements, he rewarded Hinton Helper with a consulship once he became president.

Maybe Old Abe was pulling a Billy Jeff by appointing that boy. Maybe he just wanted him out of town. ;)

After all, Abe was always a little ticklish about criticism and had to protect his flank against Abolitionists as well as Copperheads.

737 posted on 09/20/2010 11:42:51 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: cowboyway
You and the coven for sure.

Of course. It wouldn't be the reborn confederacy if you couldn't deny rights to someone.

738 posted on 09/20/2010 12:15:36 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
You're confused. Again.

Not at all.

It was your statist union that plundered the South.

Nonsense.

739 posted on 09/20/2010 12:16:33 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Of course. It wouldn't be the reborn confederacy if you couldn't deny rights to someone.

You didn't get it the first time so I'm going to speak slowly: We won't have to exclude anyone. All undesirables, you and the coven for instance, will be standing with your fearless leader, obama.

In other words, you'll exclude yourselves. Do you get it now? Do I need to slow down and user smaller words?

740 posted on 09/20/2010 12:22:11 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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