[jamese777]

Butter ? if the Hawaii Secretary of State released Obama’s birth certificate as they claim they did, then ? it’s not a private matter anymore as far a Obama’s privacy is concerned, right ?.
So ? as they so have claimed that they released some kind of birth certificate in way, shape, or form, then, so is the long form version of Obama’s real birth certificate a public matter now.
They can’t have it both ways, where they claim it’s a private matter, and only Obama can have it released, or ? so as they claim, they have already released it.... it’s either/or, can’t be both.

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For the record, the state of Hawaii does not have a Secretary of State.
In Hawaii the Lieutenant Governor performs the traditional functions of a state Secretary of State.
To the best of my knowledge no Hawaii official has ever stated that they have released any birth record for Obama. What they have done is confirm the information on the Certification of Live Birth that was released by the Obama campaign.
Obama’s original, long form, vault copy birth certificate can be released without Obama’s permission under a subpoena.
There is a chance that if the Military Judge in the Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin court martial is willing to bend over backwards to be fair to the defense, that judge will allow the Lakin defense to subpoena Obama’s birth records.
The exact language of Hawaii law is that a birth record can be released to “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.” —HRS 338-18(b)(9).

[American Constitutionalist]

I understand what your saying, but, if the left and the MSM want to lean on what the news paper says,,, ( holding them to what they so called clam in their news papers or the media ) that the Hawaii Secretary of State released Obama’s birth certificate.

[butterdezillion]

They have not confirmed the accuracy of the information on the Factcheck COLB, for two reasons.

1) Hawaii law forbids them from revealing the information on the BC (HRS 338-18a) except through disclosures authorized by rules or law. The only public announcements authorized for release is the release of index data, which Fukino and Okubo have repeatedly said consists of type of event, name, and gender. (Although they actually violated this law by saying the birth place claimed on Obama’s BC)

2) Hawaii law says that an amended BC has no legal evidentiary value so the State of Hawaii will not stand behind any claims made on such a BC (which Obama’s is). Neither Fukino nor anybody else can legally say where Obama was born, when, or to whom at this point. The amended BC has to be presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body before that BC can have any greater legal status than Monopoly money.

That is a critical thing for people to understand. If a person doesn’t understand that, they will be wrong about everything else.

The State of Hawaii has nothing that qualifies as probative for Obama, so the State of Hawaii can have absolutely NO COMMENT on what the actual facts of Obama’s birth are. Period.