Posted on 06/09/2010 8:11:25 AM PDT by HandsOffMyFreedom
“It is curious that you even write this tripe...”
OK, Dutch. You know so much about me, obviously, by simply dismissing my posts as “tripe”. I’ve tried to remain civil in my posts to you, but I’ve had it with your holier than thou, judge, jury, and executioner self-puffery.
Not that you’re entitled to know my personal history, but here’s some of it: I’ve been driving since 1967, and I have NEVER caused an accident. I have been rear ended when stopped at a red light in 1970, and that’s it.
I’ve also been riding motorcycles since 1968, and again, have NEVER been involved in an accident. That says something for my vigilance when on the road.
I’ve also been a pilot since 1973, again, NO ACCIDENTS, although I’ve logged close to 5,000 Pilot in Command hours in a wide variety of aircraft.
This history is not typical of “self-justifying rationalizers (who) drive without following the rules.”
Your self agrandizing hyperbole has no place in a civil conversation. I’m done with you.
Not much of an issue on my side of the sound. Of course over here most are Conservative.
You should have stopped trying to justify that BS long ago. All the fantasy situations in the world wont dress up a liberal mindset.
........”narc”..........oh brother........
“Then we should agree; enforcement of (moral) laws, hence placing limits on people’s wrongful behavior is the opposite of that of a Nanny State.”
Correct-o-mundo! However, the civil government should involve itself in people’s lives as a last resort, with the expectation that self-government by individuals is the default state.
However, we now live in a time when people dial 911 when Mickey D runs out of chicken nuggets. Obviously, a growing percentage of our population expects the government to take care of their every want and need.
It’s sad that so many prefer to be subjects in a country where our liberty has been so hard won with the blood and lives of our forefathers...
Oh.
That’s damn near moronic, cars on the road have widely varying capabilities. I was rear ended once on a major highway ,, came over a rise and traffic was snarled. I was driving a VW GTI and still had my autocross competition tires mounted from the weekend... the car behind me was a Vega station wagon with skinny cheap tires and the car behind him was a 1 ton 4wd truck with an full bed of construction tools... The people behind me didn’t stand a chance.. That GTI could stop FAR quicker than they could.
We have cameras in use where I live ,, I have come close to being rear ended many times.
There's nothing moronic about my statement. If people aren't aware of the capabilities of the car they are driving then they shouldn't be on the road. Or, at least, they should drive far enough behind the car in front of them so as not to rear end them in cases such as this. I know that larger vehicles take more distance to brake.
I was rear ended on the freeway because people were driving too fast for the road conditions. They weren't speeding but traffic was congested.
Did I say I liked the cameras?
I don't like those types of drivers either. But they are out there and we are stuck with them. The cameras aren't causing people to tail gate through a light.
“Yet if you obeyed those laws that were meant to be obeyed, those depts. couldn’t get a dime off of you, right?”
I’d imagine every single person breaks some law every single day. Our laws are such a mess its impossible not to.
“Are you referring to while they’re on duty or off?”
Unless cops are responding to a call or doing things like stopping a speeder it is illegal for them to speed.
But then they do it all the time and ignore on/off duty speeding of their fellow cops.
What laws are you referring to? Let me guess...hmmmm...drug laws?
Unless cops are responding to a call or doing things like stopping a speeder it is illegal for them to speed.
Yes, even police officers have to obey the laws, that's a given. So tell me, when you see a police vehicle going past the speed limit, how do you know what type of a call they're on if any?
‘What laws are you referring to? Let me guess...hmmmm...drug laws?”
ummm no, never taken an illegal drug in my life. Isn’t Seattle the place where they are trying to legalize pot?
“So tell me, when you see a police vehicle going past the speed limit, how do you know what type of a call they’re on if any?”
Well if they pull into a donut shop its fairly clear.
You might be interested in this article, it explains the role of civil government in a society such as ours (one founded on Christian/Judeo values).
Actually, it's the entire State of WA that is attempting to approve it (much to my dismay).
What laws (in your mind) are unjust? We were talking about traffic laws; how would you change them if given the opportunity?
So your side of the Sound is immune to criminal activity? I didn’t know “Utopia” existed in WA State.
You nailed it! And they don't know the difference between being a citizen and being a subject.
Just two weeks ago, I was almost creamed by a lady talking on her cell phone and blowing through a red light at about 50 mph. Now, I'm not particularly interested in the number crunching like you have done. I'm satisfied with saying someone could be involved in an accident while running a red light because it happens. Maybe not 15x per day at the same intersection, but I noticed that you didn't take into account the number of cars hesitating on a green light and waiting/watching for the red light runners and inattentive drivers to clear the intersection. I'm not sure how you could calculate that figure but it's certainly a factor in preventing those red light runners from being a bigger accident statistic.
Cheers, my dear.
Acknowledging that this happens and those that make attempts to prevent these tragedies from happening somehow makes one a liberal?
All the liberals I know don't care about their fellow human beings (i.e. they kill unborn babies in the womb, support immoral lifestyles, etc.).
Think man! If speeding down a street full of children is a problem isn’t the easiest solution just to put in a speed bump?
There’s always an alternative and government picks the one that accrues the most benefit to it for the least amount of trouble.
I am not advocating no government, just the smallest possible so that the least amount of liberty is infringed.
I like stop lights. In my book they should be called ‘go lights’. Think how simple a fix it is.
The rest is revenue generating gimmicks - Safety theatre like you see at our airports.
Learn to recognize it.
You didn’t dignify it with that weak reply.
If your bias is control over liberty you’re on the wrong website.
That’s too bad. You know so little of liberty that you suspect Ayn Rand (or insert any Godless intellectual) is the author of liberty?
Try again.
Natural Law is God’s law, not the absence of law, but simple objective law.
Government made law is not. There’s some 50,000 federal statutes. Can you honestly say you’ve never violated any one of them?
Stop tolerating infringements on liberty in the name of safety.
Quiz: Who said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”? Hint: Not Ayn Rand
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